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PI clickfest is physically dangerous

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guigui lechat
the no fock given
#1 - 2017-05-06 12:55:22 UTC
Hello. I know the title sounds like an exageration, it is not.

I decided to move my PI alt to nullsec.

So I had to redo my whole PI setups

After each planet I need to make a 30minute break because my hand hurts of all the clickfest
Setting up a P0->P3 installation requires

command center : 5clicks
4 basics : 8 clicks
3 advanced : 6 clicks
launchpad : 2 clicks
5 storage : 10 clicks
13 links : 39 clicks

total : 70 clicks for a planet.
and that's without settint the extractors. And that's without taking into account the ****** UI that selects the wrong building because the one selected is too big and covers the others and I have to redo one building.


then set up the processors : easy, each one requires select - click process - select good receipe - install - click product - create route - select destination - install . then select storage - storage - select product - create route - select processor - create route
Yeah, that's 7*14=98 more clicks for the planet.


168 clicks minimum if I do every thing perfectly to just set up the installation. for ONE OUT OF SIX PLANETS
THAT is tedious. and hurting.

Most of it comes from setting routes. Make routes automatic and a lot of the pain will be removed.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#2 - 2017-05-06 13:07:47 UTC
And too think then you dont have to do it again ever if you dont want to. Blink

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2017-05-06 13:19:30 UTC
As someone who is finally starting to do PI because I need it to do some thing I want I feel your pain. A few things to consider.
Doing PI is tedious and awful.
It was designed that way (I think so at least).
If the devs know it can cause physical pain don't expect it to change anytime soon.
If there was a way to cause a electrical shock every time you moved an extractor it would have been the first thing coded.
In all fairness I'm just happy you can do the majority of PI while docked. It takes time (and many clicks) but if it was too easy too many people would be doing it and it would be nerfed so be thankful.

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.

Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#4 - 2017-05-06 13:22:34 UTC
HTFU!
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc.
LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
#5 - 2017-05-06 13:31:00 UTC
OP might I suggest

https://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/everlast-extra-strength-hand-grip/6000035893264

Lol

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.

guigui lechat
the no fock given
#6 - 2017-05-06 13:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: guigui lechat
There is a difference between something that trade ingame currency for activity, investment, social requirements, and something that requires you to hurt yourself.

having a crappy UI is NEVER a good design choice.

I ended up using an old very-light cheap mouse. However it is very unprecise.
So I stick with https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga

and install one planet per hour, while using breaks to complain on a forum.

Joey Bags wrote:

In all fairness I'm just happy you can do the majority of PI while docked. It takes time (and many clicks) but if it was too easy too many people would be doing it and it would be nerfed so be thankful.

IT's actually a lot more complex than what you may understand. There is also competition for POCOs and resource on the planets.
Making efficcient network of planets is even more complex.
Major Xadi
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#7 - 2017-05-06 15:15:00 UTC
I'm going to sympathize with the OP.

The manufacture of many things in game depend on PI produced mats. We won't have them if PI isn't done. I have a couple indy toons I do PI with. The clickfest is irritating. A better UI would be appreciated.
Jacques d'Orleans
#8 - 2017-05-06 16:24:16 UTC
guigui lechat wrote:

After each planet I need to make a 30minute break because my hand hurts of all the clickfest


It started that way and later on I was diagnosed with arthritis, which was the source of the pain in my hand and shoulder.
You should see a doctor, maybe it's more than just some pain caused by PI.

And yes, the clickfest is a pain, but more in the a.. than in the hand, if you know what I mean.
guigui lechat
the no fock given
#9 - 2017-05-06 16:46:53 UTC
Jacques d'Orleans wrote:

And yes, the clickfest is a pain, but more in the a.. than in the hand, if you know what I mean.


I don't move my mouse with my a. so no idea what you mean ^^
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2017-05-06 17:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Axhind
guigui lechat wrote:
Hello. I know the title sounds like an exageration, it is not.

I decided to move my PI alt to nullsec.

So I had to redo my whole PI setups

After each planet I need to make a 30minute break because my hand hurts of all the clickfest
Setting up a P0->P3 installation requires

command center : 5clicks
4 basics : 8 clicks
3 advanced : 6 clicks
launchpad : 2 clicks
5 storage : 10 clicks
13 links : 39 clicks

total : 70 clicks for a planet.
and that's without settint the extractors. And that's without taking into account the ****** UI that selects the wrong building because the one selected is too big and covers the others and I have to redo one building.


then set up the processors : easy, each one requires select - click process - select good receipe - install - click product - create route - select destination - install . then select storage - storage - select product - create route - select processor - create route
Yeah, that's 7*14=98 more clicks for the planet.


168 clicks minimum if I do every thing perfectly to just set up the installation. for ONE OUT OF SIX PLANETS
THAT is tedious. and hurting.

Most of it comes from setting routes. Make routes automatic and a lot of the pain will be removed.



Ever tried playing a FPS game or, god forbid, RTS/Dota like? Even analysing a lot of info in an excel sheet. Clicking is quite common in the computer interaction and if those 98 per planet are killing your hand then you must have problems using a normal computer anyway.

Maybe change the mouse and learn how to hold your arm to offload it properly. Tons of people listen to terrible advice on how to sit in front of the computer.
Magnus Jax
#11 - 2017-05-06 19:43:54 UTC
The solution is easy: stop doing PI and find yourself a game where they have a gluten free safe zone area, where low effort instant gratification happens at every corner and you can vlog about your lunch.
guigui lechat
the no fock given
#12 - 2017-05-06 19:47:20 UTC
Magnus Jax wrote:
The solution is easy: stop doing PI and find yourself a game where they have a gluten free safe zone area, where low effort instant gratification happens at every corner and you can vlog about your lunch.

You failed to describe a solution.
I only noticed useless sarcasm in your post. Consider preventing yourself from posting when you have nothing interesting to post.
Magnus Jax
#13 - 2017-05-06 19:55:02 UTC
guigui lechat wrote:
Magnus Jax wrote:
The solution is easy: stop doing PI and find yourself a game where they have a gluten free safe zone area, where low effort instant gratification happens at every corner and you can vlog about your lunch.

You failed to describe a solution.
I only noticed useless sarcasm in your post. Consider preventing yourself from posting when you have nothing interesting to post.


You failed to pose a situation that needs solving.
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#14 - 2017-05-06 20:17:34 UTC
1) Once you do it it's (almost) passive income.
2) I agree the system is outdated and meh. I still enjoy it more than mining.
Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
#15 - 2017-05-06 22:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zirashi
Only 168 clicks and you're in pain? Over what time frame? Because I'd guess the average gamer clicks at least that many times in like 10 minutes or less, even during low intensity gaming. And in more intensive genres like RTS, people routinely exceed that number in like 2-3 minutes. Even in something as slow as EVE, I'm constantly clicking on things in the overview, adjusting/activating dscan, checking anomaly scanner, panning my camera around my ship, issuing movement commands through manual piloting, opening and closing menus, and so on.

I'd almost suggest seeing a doctor or something because that is a drop in the bucket when it come to pc gaming and the pain may point to a bigger issue than PI being tedious. That's like being exhausted and drenched in sweat after walking 100m.
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-05-06 23:32:24 UTC
there isn't any pressing need to finish a pi setup in one hour or anything. Some resource is probably going to be your limiting resource, if that's done first, the rest can wait. The surveys should give you an idea on the limiting resource.
guigui lechat
the no fock given
#17 - 2017-05-07 11:00:17 UTC
Zirashi wrote:
Only 168 clicks and you're in pain? Over what time frame? Because I'd guess the average gamer clicks at least that many times in like 10 minutes or less, even during low intensity gaming. And in more intensive genres like RTS, people routinely exceed that number in like 2-3 minutes. Even in something as slow as EVE, I'm constantly clicking on things in the overview, adjusting/activating dscan, checking anomaly scanner, panning my camera around my ship, issuing movement commands through manual piloting, opening and closing menus, and so on.

I'd almost suggest seeing a doctor or something because that is a drop in the bucket when it come to pc gaming and the pain may point to a bigger issue than PI being tedious. That's like being exhausted and drenched in sweat after walking 100m.



not only 168 clicks, that's a computed minimum . Since the ui is so bad, and I had to check manually the other players constructions before setting my colonies, you can account for a lot more. per planet. Per character
it's not only the number of clicks, it's the bad UI that makes everything tedious , and especially the clickfest. you need a lot of precise clicks in an environment that makes your clicks unprecise. Imagine a FPS where targeting at an ennemy makes the environment around him bigger.

I can do a lot more clicks in FPS, with no pain. Though I agree with you, and I should visit a doctor.
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#18 - 2017-05-07 13:10:34 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
HTFU!


I'm imagining Eye of the Tiger being played while somebody works out with one of these things in order to do PI.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#19 - 2017-05-07 14:34:11 UTC
It's okay to stop between steps and shake your arms out and maybe stretch a bit. Don't forget to drink water and stand up occasionally. ^_^

@lunettelulu7

Julanna Egnald
Del's Industrial Strip Mining
#20 - 2017-05-07 16:37:40 UTC
Just as an aside, I was thinking that if the PI UI is painful, then DOTAs and RTS's must be out of the question, at least any kind of serious gameplay
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