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What is the general "health" of this game? Subs? New players, etc?

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Slick Executioner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-04-25 03:38:32 UTC
I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.

With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?

Are there a ton of new players joining?

Just curious.

Thanks!
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-04-25 03:39:19 UTC
*popcorn*
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#3 - 2017-04-25 03:43:01 UTC
It's dying, of course.

Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot.

For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse.
Slick Executioner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-04-25 03:46:51 UTC
What's wrong with asking this question? I didn't say it was dying...I was asking.

Popcorn...dork.
Cybertherion
Sani Sabik Blood Bank
#5 - 2017-04-25 03:52:12 UTC
OP the subject of EvE's health brings out the - ehm - "bratwurst" out of peeps on these boards. Old mate's popcorn reference is just because it's somewhat amusing to observe.

Nothing wrong with asking the question.

I only post here if EvE is offline. Which means my posts are never well timed.

EAT KRABSAK.

Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-04-25 03:52:49 UTC
ahahahahahhaha don't take it personally Lol
i'm just joking ahhahahaha

you genuinely just asked a question that will trigger the apocalipse LolLolLol
you'll see by yourself how this thread will evolve! Soon™

one side will say: eve is dying Soon™
another side: no! we have more players than before f2p!

then people will start arguing, pulling numbers from any part you can think of.
at that point the genius arrives and proclaim that eve is already dead.

that is the signal to unleash hell on the thread!
ISDs will come running from all the parts and blood will flowCool

finally OP will edit his question into "sorry, wrong question"
and thread will be locked!


love you OP, and your genuine curiosity <3 ♥
Cybertherion
Sani Sabik Blood Bank
#7 - 2017-04-25 03:57:58 UTC
Bring on the Wrecking Machine™.

I only post here if EvE is offline. Which means my posts are never well timed.

EAT KRABSAK.

Slick Executioner
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-04-25 04:06:47 UTC
Oops, haha like you said I had no idea it would start that! It was a genuine question. Can you tell I'm new? Haha

Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#9 - 2017-04-25 04:23:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's dying, of course.

Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot.

For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse.



No, I will give you a starving pony on the brink of death in a sealed crate. It's dying day, not dead day. I'll let you decide if it's really dead or not.
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-04-25 05:42:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's dying, of course.

Related, In 3 months and 6 days we will have our 14th Annual EVE is DYING!!!! day. woot.

For my dying day gift, I'd like a pony. A dead one, because it's dying day of curse.

Eve is indeed dying
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#11 - 2017-04-25 06:48:38 UTC
Obligatory

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#12 - 2017-04-25 06:55:16 UTC
Slick Executioner wrote:
I am LOVING this game, although three days in I realize I barely u der stand it all.

With that said, what is the overall status of the game? Are more people playing now than ever before (with the f2p option now)?

Are there a ton of new players joining?

Just curious.

Thanks!


Overall status is unknown as CCP doesn't talks about it.
Apparently there's more people playing it, but certainly not more than in the past.
There was an outburst of new characters and server population after F2P, and both have receded. New character creation is about 15% higher than before F2P and peak server population is below last year's in the same dates. This could be caused because people on average stay logged in for shorter time, which would drive concurrency down even fi the overall population count (unique logins) was higher.

We could say that EVE is doing well for its age, but you can't be a videogame 14 years old and be 100% healthy.

Personally my hunch based on the current status is that EVE will last 3 or 4 years more.


Note: EVE will never die completely, rather it might become a undead cult game like Ultima Online.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#13 - 2017-04-25 06:56:19 UTC
1. These kind of threads always are trolls best environment here. That is why "popcorn" is a first reply.
2. Game is doing fine for what it is.
3. Game is dying. Of course it is.

Choose 2 or 3 and start trolling until ISD comes in and closes it, so people can have a break.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#14 - 2017-04-25 08:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Slick Executioner wrote:
Oops, haha like you said I had no idea it would start that! It was a genuine question. Can you tell I'm new? Haha


If you look here you can get a trace of the maximum number of concurrent users everyday since the game went live:

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility (click on 'All' in the menu at the top).

That will give you an idea of overall trend of growth/otherwise of the game, however it isn't a direct mapping of subscriptions or the number of people playing the game.

For example, at various times the game had no skill queue, a 24 hour skill queue, now a near unlimited skill queue. So over the life of the game, there have been different reasons for players to login or not (not only skill queue related. That's just one example).

So, in addition this presentation from CCP Quant at Fanfest in 2014 is worth watching (will go straight to the relevant part):

https://youtu.be/h-jfvjMoe9Y?t=195

So from that, in 2014:

PCU: 42,000 users
Unique users per day: 175,000
Unique users per month: 420,000

As players we don't have exact numbers of how many subscribers there are.

The last reasonable number was from the creation of the EVE Monument, which has approximately 480,000 character names on it (each name representing 1 subscribed account on 31 March 2014, or thereabouts on the date).

Since then, there have been various estimates of decline to as low as low as 250,000 to about 400,000, so the number is likely to be somewhere in there.

Most recently, due to the skill injectors, CCP recorded a 30% increase in revenue last year, to the highest single year revenue in EVE history ($86,135,976).

My guess, there is somewhere around 300,000 - 320,000 subscribers and the game is overall pretty healthy. Certainly not at any risk of dying soon.

Edit:
As for not understanding it all after 3 days, don't sweat it. I first started playing in 2004. I'm still lost even now.
roberts dragon
Beak Enterprises
#15 - 2017-04-25 11:46:15 UTC
could say the players are dead and the game is alive .
Vokan Narkar
New Eden Traders Aliance
#16 - 2017-04-25 12:51:07 UTC
roberts dragon wrote:
could say the players are dead and the game is alive .

some players are undead tooTwisted
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2017-04-25 13:02:25 UTC
Vokan Narkar wrote:
roberts dragon wrote:
could say the players are dead and the game is alive .

some players are undead tooTwisted



Sansha playable race when CCP?

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Vouid
The Pannion Domin
#18 - 2017-04-25 13:11:33 UTC
Eve has around 15-40k players at all times.

now check steam charts and see Eve would actually be around top 20 at all times and at top 10 at peak hours.

Surely it will not die, but it won't be around for ever.
mkint
#19 - 2017-04-25 13:27:36 UTC
Scipio's information is the most interesting so far. Keep in mind that CCP's "record profits" likely come from a combination of subs, MT, and their VR tech. It's not known what the distribution is, but they keep hyping their VR tech that has nothing to do with EVE.

It's probably also useful to keep in mind that logins and subs and revenue aren't the only measures of health. The MER (monthly economic reports) which can be found through the dev posts button above give information about the activity in the game. It includes things like production vs destruction, isk faucets vs sinks, value of different market segments. I'm still not personally sure what the information in there says about the health of the game, though I do think it's dangerous to assume what's healthy for RL economies is healthy for the game. But I haven't put enough brainpower behind the significance of all the metrics, so I don't have a strong opinion on what they imply.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2017-04-25 13:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Joey Bags
Slick Executioner welcome to EvE and more specifically welcome to the forums!
Everyone is right that CCP doesn't release absolute figures however since I started playing (2008) I've witnessed several surges in popularity with big increases in active players online. I've witnessed several drops in population too. It fluctuates but after the Chinese isk farmer bot purge I've noticed a general uptick in the amount of players online at any one moment over the years. I would say it's healthy but it's up to CCP to keep innovating and reinventing (and they do). Once you see a lack of effort in those areas, that's when EvE is dying for real.

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose. Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.

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