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Noob PvP Questions

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Xavi Mendosa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-04-12 19:09:27 UTC
Hi Everyone. I have some questions before to start my pvp career. As a summary, I have read %80 of Uniwiki, some books and watched more than one hundered videos, finished many L1 and L2 missions, so bored and before throwing out the computer I want to do something. As much as I understand, best way to learn PVP is fit, die, learn and repeat it thousand times.

Well, I can spend a few Plex to learn but before starting to spend ISKs, I need some guidance.
(Btw, I have children and It's hard for me to make even %20 commitment to a corporation at the moment so I planning start solo)


  • Is it important to die too much? For example, If I apply a corporation later, will they look at my cv and told that "Whoha look at him, died 2573465 times and killed just 3 frigates. Go for mining son, no room for you!"

  • I'm using Evemon for skill planning and currently Level 2 at frigates, destroyers, cruisers and battlecruisers, continue to Level 3. Should I stick with frigates or can I start with a cruiser so I have more seconds to think/watch and learn before die (Please ignore the pricing side).

  • Can I find solo pilots in nullsec or should I stay lowsec? (Afraid of low security status)


Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2017-04-12 19:40:05 UTC
joining a corp will help with all of that. I learned the most when doing corp frig battles, we had 1v1s, some small gang vs small gang, and some everyone v everyone fights.

if a corp later rejects you for losing a bunch of frigs as a newb well, you are probably better off not joining them anyways. That said I think most of those corps will look at isk efficiency rather than individual ship losses, and isk efficiency is a pretty gameable system. Frigs are cheap enough that they shouldn't slow you down too much there.

lv2 is pretty weak probably worth it to go to 4 and specialize at one level before trying to move to another.

on the pricing side I'm not too worried about frig/cruiser, but I'm thinking you will find more fights in a frig, moving faster is a good thing usually. A video recording program (like fraps) can be great help in reviewing a fight will let you see all the mistakes you make.

the FW areas seem to have a lot of frigs flying about I wouldn't worry too much about sec status as long as you don't illegally pod someone. nullsec also has a lot of targets, but also has a lot of empty space.

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Zarek Kree
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#3 - 2017-04-12 20:29:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
The idea of "just go out and lose ships" as a way to learn PvP is a bit of a misconception. The point is that to learn how to PvP, you have to just go out and do it and not worry about the losses. But you should be making every effort to maximize the learning experience from every loss. Any idiot can lose a ship, but making that loss count toward learning is the challenge.

To that end, the single greatest recommendation I can offer is to record your fights with video capture software. You'll be lucky to see 10% of what's happening in the moment, but you'll see all of it by playing and replaying the saved video of the fight. I use OBS but any video capture program will do.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2017-04-12 20:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
It's also worthwhile talking to the folks that kill you if it's a small fight, you'll pick up all sorts of interesting tips and knowledge by doing so; it's a good way to meet people and kill them later if you can Twisted, or get recruited. A good attitude to loss will take you far.

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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#5 - 2017-04-12 21:22:23 UTC
Don't worry about what others think of you. This applies to real life as well. Smile

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Wyk Bathana
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2017-04-12 21:51:14 UTC
my advices
1) join a corp. Some older pvp players will teach you some tips
2) don't level up skills for all frigs, all cruisers etc. Choose one ship race and type, level up skills to be good at fitting it/flying it, learn to use it and only then switch to another ship type
3)
Lulu Lunette wrote:
Don't worry about what others think of you. This applies to real life as well. Smile


+1000

Wyk
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#7 - 2017-04-12 23:11:06 UTC
Fun fact, I got recruited because I lost a bunch of expensive **** in lowsec and laughed it off.

I'm not saying you need to go losing expensive stuff,
I am saying you're grand if you can laugh it off and say you had fun when you asplode.
Vipsan Agrippa
Machine Gun Coitus
#8 - 2017-04-13 02:56:14 UTC
The best way to get into PVP if you are time poor but want to fleet up with experienced pilots - Factional Warfare ( FW ).

You can join the state militia or join a corporation.

Fleets are always being created to fly with. You are also rewarded for capturing systems. Install teamspeak on your computer and you can just ask questions and follow instructions within fleet.

You are Caldari so I would politely approach Squids, they would be more than happy to mail you ship fittings and basic PvP tactics.



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Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#9 - 2017-04-13 03:41:33 UTC
If you really die 2573465 times and kill just 3 frigates, then I'm afraid that pvp is not for you. But I'm pretty sure that you can do far better than this, as long as you try to learn from every single death.
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
#10 - 2017-04-13 04:58:07 UTC
Don't fly battlecruisers. Not yet anyway. You're too inexperienced (regardless of SP) for those.

Pick something you like and start to specialise a tiny bit in it. Spreading your SP so broadly is a terrible idea. Get good at, say, frigates, or say, Gallente ships. Get the important skills to IV or V. Important skills are what helps you kill things. Doing more damage is always a winner - you can never do too much damage.

Also, be honest. Tell people that you have a family. A lot of people do too, and we're all understanding that taking care of rugrats sometimes means getting up from the computer.
voetius
Grundrisse
#11 - 2017-04-13 11:29:50 UTC

You could think about joining one of the new player friendly corporations such as Brave Newbies, Karmafleet or Pandemic Horde.

Agony Unleashed is a corporation that used to run training classes that assumed zero knowledge to start with, have a look at their website to see if they have anything coming up soon. The Basic class is the first class that people do as it is a prerequisite to go on the other classes. Their classes are open to anyone regardless of ingame affiliations.

There are more informal opportunities to fleet up and go out to shoot things/people that are open to any player, such as Spectre Fleet, Redemption Roams (who also do a rookie night once a month that supplies fitted ships for new players) and there are probably others. Ask for more details if these sound interesting.

It isn't completely necessary to join a corporation but a good reason that people suggest it is that solo is hard mode. That said, some of the options above don't require you to join a corporation so you can keep your options open and get some experience as well.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2017-04-13 16:17:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
If you want to actually learn PvP, lowsec is the best place IMO. You can base out of highsec if you want and combine PvP with clone soldier hunt, to compensate for the sec status loss. Joining faction warfare will reduce that problem, but instead you need to watch your opposing faction standing, which can't be repaired easily compared to sec status.

I started out with solo PvP in lowsec, training situational awareness and how to hunt and run without backup is fun and rewarding, and I skipped the part with dying often. Blink Though when I switched to a new ship never flown before, I tried to take a couple of impossible fights to test the limits of my setup... and the best part is if you win against all odds.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2017-04-17 12:10:10 UTC
****As a summary, I have read %80 of Uniwiki, some books and watched more than one hundered videos,*****


+You already have more PVP Experience than 51% of all Pilots in New Eden :D :D :D

After a lot of tips were given, the only thing i would also recommend "recording the Fights" like someone else told you here too.

In the heat of the battle and with a lot of information flying towards your eyes, you will for sure understand better after watching your Videos again and again. That is really one of the best Tips to give you.

And hell, yes fly Battlecruisers if you want to...T1s cost nothing after Insurance.

Fly risky, fly dangerous, fly have no Fear....good luck o/
Keno Skir
#14 - 2017-04-17 19:36:30 UTC
Dimitrios Bekas wrote:
And hell, yes fly Battlecruisers if you want to...T1s cost nothing after Insurance.


Big difference between nothing for a vet and nothing for a newbro.

Trying to learn solo PvP in lowsec in Battlecruisers will hamper the rate at which you learn, better to use something cheap since the first 10 (100) times you die will be for silly reasons. Even with insurance you're looking at significantly more expenditure per death than just learning in frigs.