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C4 SOLO ratlersnake question.

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Zjebek
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-04-04 18:56:11 UTC
Can i do combat sites in c4 WH in this FIT ?

600 DPS / 657 hp/s shield regen

[Rattlesnake, *Rattlesnake PASSIVE c4]
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay

Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier

Drone Link Augmentor II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II



Gecko x1



ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#2 - 2017-04-04 18:57:30 UTC
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
#3 - 2017-04-04 18:59:25 UTC
emh..

wrong subforum... check!
no dps whatsoever... check!
drone link augmentor... check!
gecko probably more expensive than all the rest of the fit... check!


yea you can do it op Cool
good luck, you'll need it.


EDIT: isd ruined my post Ugh damn ISD!!! report ISD!
Jack Miton
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
#4 - 2017-04-04 23:30:03 UTC
tank is more than enough, DPS is hella low.

tl;dr: probably

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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
#5 - 2017-04-05 09:11:44 UTC
you can do it with prophecy 7x caldari navy shield power relay x4 republic fleet large shield extenders and 3x t2 medium core defense field purgers and maybe +4 shield capacity implant and with decent skills you can hit 840 tshield regen per second . dps would be kinda **** but you could survive evrything
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
#6 - 2017-04-05 15:13:56 UTC
needs more stacking penalties
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#7 - 2017-04-06 19:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
Even the best equipped Rattlesnake has to carefully pick and choose which C4 sites it runs. You certainly can't face tank most C4 sites with such a fit. C4s START at 700DPS and go up to 2100DPS, and the Snake will have to absorb every bit of that if you're in range due to its low speed and large sig. Using long range cruise missiles and sentry drones would be a good approach but then you don't need the link augmenter and you DO need an MJD or MWD along with some range mods.

That fit would be fine in a C3 (though still not optimal), but not in a C4 solo. From an isk/hr standpoint, a C3 is almost always better solo because you can run all of those sites. But if you insist on doing a C4, then rebuild it with a sniper fit and trade hp/s for range. Or rebuild it to face tank at least 1000DPS with an active tank and choose your combat sites carefully.

Let Rykki be your guide.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#8 - 2017-04-06 21:41:51 UTC
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
needs more stacking penalties

psst: passive shield regen mods don't suffer stacking penalties.

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Kapten Conn
EPICentre Syndicate
The Singularity.
#9 - 2017-04-07 08:46:34 UTC
I threw together 2 active builds for you - I am not a fan of on site module swaping. You could argue switching over some modules etc, but concept will work.
One is for C4 combat sites and the other is for C3 combat sites.

But if you take them into action, then C3 one will come out as a winner for ISK/h (damage application is way better and faster). There might be cases where you want to turn off shield booster on C3 setup and reactivate it after fewish tens seconds...

Remember to carry blue pills.

If your skills are not on par with cap recharge / defense wise, then stick with C3 and swap out web / omni link modules for more tank or more cap how they are needed.
Remember you can add medium crystal alpha, beta and gamma to gain some more EHP/s (they are pretty cheap)

[Rattlesnake, C4 combat]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I


Gecko x1
Gecko x1
Garde II x3


Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-602
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-803
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003



[Rattlesnake, C3 combat]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
AE-K Compact Drone Damage Amplifier
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Gecko x1
Garde II x2
Garde II x1
Gecko x1


Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-603
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-803
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003
Kapten Conn
EPICentre Syndicate
The Singularity.
#10 - 2017-04-07 09:01:52 UTC
And here is another one for C3 with RHML. This might be faster compared to the Cruise missile version for C3...

But I can tell you this setup (or very close one) is tested with one of my friends and those 2 ships made around 500-600 M/h in C3 (+ he was alt salvaging).

[Rattlesnake, C3 combat RHML]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Cap Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Peripheral Compact Target Painter
Large Micro Jump Drive

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Gecko x1
Gecko x1
Garde II x3


Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-603
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-803
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003
Zjebek
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-04-07 14:40:15 UTC
Ok thank you all for advices:-)
Sadovnika
Insurrection
Mercenary Coalition
#12 - 2017-04-07 17:37:38 UTC
Solo C4s are a pain and the isk per hour can fall to the same level as simply running C3 sites. The rats in the C4 are much farther out and using a solo snake puts your drones at high risk. The agro thst you get from the rats on your drones slows the pace way down. It can be done solo, but without duel boxing with some logi chain to keep the agro off the drones it's going to be a nasty way to make isk. Good luck
Delegate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2017-04-08 21:02:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Delegate
You don't need faction Power Relay or faction Shield Extender: T2 will do. Switch one Shield Recharger for Adaptive Invulnerability Field (only Integrated Terminus will dry you empty). Use A-type Thermal Dissipation Amplifier (also bring c-type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier). Use depot to switch between power relays and DDA / BCS. Also have in cargo: Large Micro Jump Drive, 2x Target Painters, 3x DDA, 3x BCS, cloak, heavy neut, heavy cap booster and few navy 800s.
You will soon known which waves aggro drones and which don't. In those that do, put painter on a cruiser to keep aggro on you. I advice to start on Sisi.
You will be able to run all anoms except Sleeper Information Sanctum (which is rare spawn). You can also run Evacuation Center and Trinary Hub.
Don't forget to roll connections Roll
Andrew Indy
Jedran Space Services
#14 - 2017-04-20 01:02:36 UTC
Kapten Conn wrote:
And here is another one for C3 with RHML. This might be faster compared to the Cruise missile version for C3...



Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Ballistic Control System II
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Cap Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Peripheral Compact Target Painter
Large Micro Jump Drive



Why the Power Relay? If I'm not mistaken they Nerf your booster.

The fit i use has a large Pith-X and it gets 60 tank less but has 40K more EHP and better Regen (4C/s extra vs 0.5C/s), Yours does have a TP which is nice.
Kapten Conn
EPICentre Syndicate
The Singularity.
#15 - 2017-04-24 13:22:23 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:


Why the Power Relay? If I'm not mistaken they Nerf your booster.

The fit i use has a large Pith-X and it gets 60 tank less but has 40K more EHP and better Regen (4C/s extra vs 0.5C/s), Yours does have a TP which is nice.

Yes, you are apsolutely right. You will lose about 60 EHP/s by going Power relay (those factioin ones go for 30M from time to time). You can swap it out into Flux Coil. This way you will be less stable (if you forget to turn off booster at some point) and have more tank you do not need in C3 combat sites anyway.

As far as tank buffer goes - I would say you do not need that extra 40k in C3. So if you want to get even more damage application and still keep MJD, you can try this:

Runs you 590M including one Gecko.
770 EHP/s, ~+4C/s, 40k Shield, 4.5k GJ cap. MJD and 2 damage application modules in mid. Pick Sentry type as you feel most comfort with.

I would say Rattlesnake is quite versatile ship.

[Rattlesnake, C3 Solo XL RHML 2 MJD]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Cap Battery II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Peripheral Compact Target Painter
Large Micro Jump Drive

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Gecko x1


Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-603
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-803
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003
Griff Sotken
The Crimson Order
#16 - 2017-04-25 20:32:34 UTC
In the future, you can use Rykki's Guide to answer questions like this. That link also has a short walk through if it's your first time using it.
Pancocco
Unsettled
#17 - 2017-04-27 06:06:58 UTC
Use a mobile Depot and bring a mjd, low slot dps mods, utility mid slots to swap around with.

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