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Investment Advice Sought

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William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#1 - 2017-02-23 03:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: William Ormono
First time Eve Forums poster here. Be gentle with me Blink

After pursuing a few careers in Eve with various levels of success, I've (finally) stumbled across Incursions. After a week and a bit of Incursion running, I've got a problem in New Eden that I've never had before... I have more ISK than I know what to do with... well, actually not really.

I could always buy another skill injector or find some blingy ship mod that will offer very little performance improvement for the cost, but I'm too cheap to do that. I'm far from "wealthy" in terms of Eve players, and I know it. I'm simply wealthy compared to my former self.

To my problem: I would like to find a person/group that has a reliable reputation at managing and providing returns on investments. An example of such a group would be the New Eden Trade Group (who closed up shop at the end of 2016 if I'm informed correctly).

Any recommendations are appreciated.
Knag Simner Arsten
Sparkle Pony Inc
#2 - 2017-02-23 07:10:51 UTC
I have two thoughts here.

First thought: sit on the money for a bit. Watch. Listen. Think. (One thing to think about is that better invulns *do* make a difference, especially if you plan to go in first in a TCRC... )

Second thought: you've found a high-income community. You *know* people who have had to deal with the "trouble" you have now. Get to know some of them, and ask! We're even friendly.

Gavrillo Ferdinand
Franz Ferdinand Retirement Fund
#3 - 2017-02-23 08:43:10 UTC
I invested with NETG when they were active. It returned a tidy profit, however I recommend focusing on re-investing that isk into isk faucet activities such as setting up proper PI in null, market trading, etc.
Bjorn Tyrson
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#4 - 2017-02-23 08:59:48 UTC
Gavrillo Ferdinand wrote:
I invested with NETG when they were active. It returned a tidy profit, however I recommend focusing on re-investing that isk into isk faucet activities such as setting up proper PI in null, market trading, etc.


Agreed, Incursions are good money, some of the best money you can actually make for IG activity. that being said it isn't SO good that a week and a bit will give you the kind of funds you really need to make money from investing. a bil or two might seem like a lot when you first reach that mark, but not quite the kind of funds you need to make any substantial profit off of 3rd party investments.

you will be much better served in the short term to leverage the isk you do have into improving your incursion fit (increases the isk/hr of everyone in fleet, which gets you invited to fleets faster) or setting up your own income streams. not only is the "barrier to entry" much lower, but you also maintain control over your own funds, which provides greater security, and allows you to liquidate quickly if you need some fast isk.
William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#5 - 2017-02-23 13:18:36 UTC
Gavrillo Ferdinand wrote:
I invested with NETG when they were active. It returned a tidy profit, however I recommend focusing on re-investing that isk into isk faucet activities such as setting up proper PI in null, market trading, etc.


Out of curiousity, if you made a tidy sum investing why not reinvest your profits back with them to repeat the process on a greater scale (greater profits)?

I'm hesitant to get into PI because I've heard it is a lot more effort then it sounds like (not a passive income. Semi-passive at best). And I'd love to get into market trading, but I don't know where to start. The few attempts I've made at it have had me spending time hauling stuff region to region only to have the sales not go through. So I spent a fair bit of time to lose a little bit of ISK (not much). I'm sure if I knew what I was doing, market trading would be a great option though.

Good to hear you had a good experience with investing though. Adds weight to confirming that I want to look into it further.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#6 - 2017-02-23 13:28:00 UTC
Just keep the ISK for times when you don't habe time to run incursions but want to PVP. Because your Alliance got attacked or whatever. Always good to have a couple of Billons as a backup.
William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#7 - 2017-02-23 13:37:39 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:

Agreed, Incursions are good money, some of the best money you can actually make for IG activity. that being said it isn't SO good that a week and a bit will give you the kind of funds you really need to make money from investing. a bil or two might seem like a lot when you first reach that mark, but not quite the kind of funds you need to make any substantial profit off of 3rd party investments.

you will be much better served in the short term to leverage the isk you do have into improving your incursion fit (increases the isk/hr of everyone in fleet, which gets you invited to fleets faster) or setting up your own income streams. not only is the "barrier to entry" much lower, but you also maintain control over your own funds, which provides greater security, and allows you to liquidate quickly if you need some fast isk.


You're right! A bill or two DOES seem like a lot!!! Big smile

You're also right that I don't have a lot of ISK from my 1.5 weeks of Incursioning, but I still see value in pursuing this now. If I could find an investment opportunity that offered 3% per month return, on a billion ISK investment thats 30million a month. I hear ya, thats not great, but its good enough for me. It will also allow me to start at relatively lower sums of ISK. If the investment fails for whatever reason, I'll lose less. It will give me time to establish a comfort level with the investment before I start pumping large sums of money (that I don't have yet) into it.

Any suggestions on reliable people I could deal with are appreciated.

Thanks Eve community.
Cista2
EVE Museum
#8 - 2017-02-23 13:41:50 UTC
William Ormono wrote:
If I could find an investment opportunity that offered 3% per month return, on a billion ISK investment thats 30million a month.

EVE Museum will have a share sale one week from now, 40 million ISK per share. It's on page 1 here.
Dividends have been 3-4% lately, but don't expect them to be more than 3% longterm.

My channel: "Signatures" -

William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#9 - 2017-02-23 13:46:54 UTC
Cista2 wrote:

EVE Museum will have a share sale one week from now, 40 million ISK per share. It's on page 1 here.
Dividends have been 3-4% lately, but don't expect them to be more than 3% longterm.


That's the sort of information I'm after! Sounds like the exact sort of opportunity I'm after.

Thanks for your help!
William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#10 - 2017-02-23 18:46:21 UTC
***Update***

I was contacted in game today by The Fukuzawa, CEO of New Eden Trade Group. He told me he no longer deals with public trading, but offered me an opportunity to invest with him on a private basis.

After discussing terms we came to an agreement, being:

Investment: 1,000,000,000 ISK
Monthly Rate of Return: 3%

I'm excited to work with The Fukuzawa, as he has a reputation of being an honest business man. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little apprehensive though. I'm an Eve player after all, we're a very cautions and suspicious bunch.

Memory and schedule permitting, I will be posting updates weekly/monthly regarding the return of interest payments.

A final update will be given once the account is closed and I will provide my final thoughts on the whole experience.

Taking bets (bragging rights, not ISK) on how many people reply that I got PiratescammedPirate within the next week (ending March 2nd). I'm new to the forums, so I don't know the typical number of readers, but I'm going to guess 15 Blink
Cista2
EVE Museum
#11 - 2017-02-23 19:17:39 UTC
Being a private loan, people won't bother much with predictions :)

My channel: "Signatures" -

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#12 - 2017-02-23 19:33:59 UTC
To any others who are interested, you are better off using your isk to set up your own operations, however if you want a passive return, reach out to me.

! ! ! New Eden Trade Group is paying monthly interest to investors, contact me if interested ! ! !

If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.

William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#13 - 2017-03-09 03:06:04 UTC
First update

Although it is still early into our agreement, I have now received two weekly interest payments from The Fukuzawa. Both week's payments have been correct and on time (if not a day early).

Stay tuned for the next update. Same rat time, same rat channel.
William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#14 - 2017-03-09 03:07:22 UTC
Cista2 wrote:
Being a private loan, people won't bother much with predictions :)


Respect due. You clearly know your forums Smile
Veyreuth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-03-13 04:17:01 UTC
I don't know how active you are with research... if you're looking to "invest", you can buy a BPO to research. After fully (ME/TE) researched you can sell for a profit. It's kind of like buying a bond... have to wait for it to mature. Something to do if you have a lot of liquid ISK and unused research lines.
William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#16 - 2017-03-13 18:05:52 UTC
Veyreuth wrote:
I don't know how active you are with research... if you're looking to "invest", you can buy a BPO to research. After fully (ME/TE) researched you can sell for a profit. It's kind of like buying a bond... have to wait for it to mature. Something to do if you have a lot of liquid ISK and unused research lines.


Good idea. Thanks for the tip and a thumbs up for you!

I've heard of BPO research as an income but I haven't got into it at all so I don't know much about it. I'd usually google it and do some research myself, but I'm feeling lazy right now. Anyone have a link to some useful information to save me looking for it?

Some things I would like to learn:
Generally how much profit can it generate in terms of ISK over Time (e.g. 100 Mil per month?)
How do you know what price to set your researched BPOs
How far do you research your BPOs (me/te)
Are certain types of BPOs better to research than others (e.g. T1 Frigs vs. T1 Cruisers vs. T1 Fittings)
Veyreuth
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2017-03-14 04:29:07 UTC
I've only dabbled, so I can't get too precise. I've researched up frigate BPOs ... 75 day research, 40m profit, so roughly 15-16m per line per month. Run all 10 lines 150-160m passive income. More expensive blueprints will have longer research times... not sure if they're more or less profitable. You can look through contacts to get a feel for where the margins are. Without having researched it, I would guess capital components BPOs and Battleship BPOs would be worth investigating first.
Syna Anima
SYNDAX CORPORATION
#18 - 2017-03-17 15:31:11 UTC
William Ormono wrote:
***Update***

Investment: 1,000,000,000 ISK
Monthly Rate of Return: 3%



We're talking 30 mil here / month. That is very easy to do for yourself. Just put some region wide buy orders for a few PVE bs at half the price and then re-sell them for the normal price and you will make many times that 3%... It takes 5 minutes work. Adapt to your region as needed.

Never underestimate people laziness. Here I mean those selling you their ships for half the normal price... I'd rather sink the ISK in that than 3% return, the guy surely makes 10-25% return on your ISK.

I guess if you send him 10 bil and you don't play it's better than nothing. So each to their needs.
William Ormono
Reason Will Prevail
#19 - 2017-03-17 19:00:02 UTC  |  Edited by: William Ormono
Syna Anima wrote:
William Ormono wrote:
***Update***

Investment: 1,000,000,000 ISK
Monthly Rate of Return: 3%



We're talking 30 mil here / month. That is very easy to do for yourself. Just put some region wide buy orders for a few PVE bs at half the price and then re-sell them for the normal price and you will make many times that 3%... It takes 5 minutes work. Adapt to your region as needed.

Never underestimate people laziness. Here I mean those selling you their ships for half the normal price... I'd rather sink the ISK in that than 3% return, the guy surely makes 10-25% return on your ISK.

I guess if you send him 10 bil and you don't play it's better than nothing. So each to their needs.


You have good advice, no doubt there.

So you are aware of the method to my madness, part of my desire to invest comes from wanting to start forming relationships with the people from the Market Discussion community and to a lesser degree, to start to garner a reputation for myself (gotta start somewhere).

The individual I ended up investing with (The Fukuzawa) was very up front with me that there were better ways for me to grow my ISK. So I didn't go into this with very high profit expectations.

I like you're idea about issuing low regional wide faction BS buy orders. I think I'll give it a try. I'm thinking a lot of people will have the same idea though, so I'm guessing finding a good region to operate in will be difficult.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#20 - 2017-03-17 19:42:36 UTC
William Ormono wrote:

So you are aware of the method to my madness, part of my desire to invest comes from wanting to start forming relationships with the people from the Market Discussion community and to a lesser degree, to start to garner a reputation for myself (gotta start somewhere).



At least you're honest about grinding rep for your eventual scam I guess.
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