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New(ish) bros, Would this work?

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Amarr Empire
#1 - 2017-02-06 10:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Multi Surface
So our little corp of friends are doing all sorts that eve has to offer (we lose ships)

We found a C2 wormhole (extra damage one) with a C1 and HS static, dived in and managed to clear a lot of the sites with a harbinger great fun was had and we made 56 million isk!

My question to you advanced probers of wormholes is; would it be possible to fit a small fleet of Mallers (and a single Rupture) with remote reppers and be able to clear the sites faster?

Also are Data sites worth running in the C2's? We found like nothing in worth on the three sites we cleared?

I can see the attraction to wormhole life! It is so much more involving with both of us spamming dscan like loons.

Cheers people!

Just to clarify we are all omega now, and have reasonable cruiser skills (all of us have access to t2 tanks)
The Tuskers Co.
#2 - 2017-02-06 10:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
With good skills, you can solo just about any site in a C2 with a Maller. It just won't be particularly efficient, because the Maller has low dps (although having zero ammo costs helps balance things a little). Obviously, that becomes far less of an issue if you are working as a group.

Were you salvaging? 56 million ISK sounds a little on the low side for a C2 full of anoms. A good chunk of the value comes from salvaging sleeper wrecks. Put salvage drones in the Mallers and you're sorted.

Data sites are usually rubbish in all low class wormholes, but occassionally you'll get 10+ million out of one. Seeing as you can get 40+ million out of a Relic site in the same system, you can see why they are not all that popular. Still, free ISK is free.

I'm glad you enjoyed your w-space excursion, though. W-space best space; accept no substitutes.

Edit: Oh, and if you are considering setting up a w-space base, check out my blog (see sig). There are a number of posts about choosing wormholes and setting up your POS, as well as how to make money from wormhole PI.

I'm assuming you're all alpha clones, so the PI won't be available to you. But if you decide to go Omega and live in w-space, you'll be able to make enough from PI that you can permanently pay for your Omega status. It's worth roughly 3 billion/month if you use all three of your character slots.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Amarr Empire
#3 - 2017-02-06 11:45:06 UTC
Cheers Taurean,

We are all Omega, We cleared two combat anoms and 3 data sites. We was just dipping our toes into it!

Then a Loki and Cheetah? Appeared on Dscan and we legged it to safes when combat probes appeared. Our attempts at PvP have not been overly successful so far although we are planning a cruiser roam to see if we can catch something out!

We was considering maybe moving in, I have left an alpha scanner in the wormhole so we could find the HS static to have another go at it. It was a Saturday night (prime time EU?) and they was the only people we found in a few hours.

Will certainly give your blog a read up. and try our luck with my harbinger and Maller's. So fingers crossed.

I have the planet commander colony pack thing so i have a load of PI things redeemable at the moment.

Thanks again buddy
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2017-02-06 11:57:32 UTC
A genuinely empty C2 with HS static is a pretty rare find these days. I'd encourage you to jump in if you are tempted, as it is very unlikely to stay empty for long.

That Loki and Cheetah were almost certainly from deeper in the w-space chain, and using the HS static for logistics. That doesn't mean they were not dangerous, and it does not mean that you were wrong to safe up. But it will be a very common occurrence for any system with a HS static. Everybody in w-space wants to use your front door. And many of the people in k-space will want to poke their heads in as well.

If you are Omega, then PI is a very easy (after you get your head around it and get it all set up) way of generating enough ISK to PLEX yourself. If you post the system ID, I'll take a look at the PI on Dotlan for you.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-02-06 13:03:28 UTC
The system ID is J114008,

There is (was) a citadel in there but it seems to have gone. I may scout out the C1 statics and see where they go? Not quite as popular i believe?

Working my way through the blog enjoyable read so far!

The Tuskers Co.
#6 - 2017-02-06 13:22:26 UTC
Hmmm. Not a great PI system, but not terrible either. Five planets is enough to let you run max PI with skills at IV, but two of those are gas planets. Subject to planet size and actual resources on each planet, you are probably looking at 6-700k ISK per month, per character. Call it just under 2 billion ISK/month if you have three PI characters on your account.

Enough to PLEX, but without a whole bunch of cash left over after that. The system bonus will make running sites faster, but a reasonable sized corp will clear out the backlog pretty fast. Of course, being a C2, you can farm the static as well.

And by all means check out the static. One advantage of setting up (temporarily?) in a C2 is that you constantly see other wormholes go by, and can be on the look-out for something better.

Popularity is less a function of class, and more a function of the statics, combined with the quality of the planets. Anything with a high sec static is going to be more popular than a low or null sec static, for example, because of the improved logistics. So C1s with high sec statics are hugely popular with industrialists.

'Popular' and 'busy' are two different things, though. A C1 is generally less busy than a C2 because 80% of the time you have no w-space connection, so your only visitors are via k-space. And they are mostly going to be alpha clones looking to run your exploration sites.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-02-06 13:35:11 UTC
Blimey, never realized PI could be so lucrative! I'm not to fussy about Plexing my account more about enjoying the game Big smile

Maybe a C1 would be a decent idea for getting our feet wet? May look for a C2 with a low sec connection.

Im assuming you just wait for a high sec connection to open up and use that for your logistical needs?

Either way thank you so much bud, so much information to mulch through now.

Suppose we should work out living arrangements.
The Tuskers Co.
#8 - 2017-02-06 13:52:06 UTC
As you'll see from my blog, I'm in a C1 with a low sec static. This suits me because my focus is low sec pvp, so being able to experience pvp all over New Eden is kind of my thing. But often I can access high sec via my static easily enough, as many areas of low security space are fairly quiet. As long as you and your crew are comfortable with transiting low sec, this might suit you too.

Still, for the big stuff, nothing beats a high sec connection. I usually find that I get at least one a week, typically on a weekend, because of the extra activity. This weekend was particularly crazy, as I had a total of five wormholes in system for a while there. I use high sec connections to bring in fuel, and to move PI out. Having constant access to high sec is definitely a plus if you are not looking to pvp in low/null sec.

One disadvantage of C1s is that you can't really roll your wormholes because of the mass limitations. As a solo player, that doesn't bother me, because I'm not going to be able to roll much on my own anyway. You and your friends probably could, though, so that's a downside that a C2 or C3 doesn't have.

C1: Private. Easy to farm solo. Can't really roll wormholes.
C2: Busy. Can farm own system AND static connection. Both these factors favor corps of at least 3-4 active players.
C3: Private. Sites push the limits of what you can farm solo. Easily the most profitable unless over-farmed.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Amarr Empire
#9 - 2017-02-06 13:59:19 UTC
Right settled then, going to see if we can find a C2 / C1 with low sec static and see how we get on.

Looking forward to it, and hopefully we won't slip into yours and pad out your kill board Shocked

Ive started in the September 2016 part of your blog and about to sit down on my lunch hour and work my way through it.

Also looking up wormhole mechanics, didn't even know you could 'roll' them.
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2017-02-06 16:50:49 UTC
Cheers for the advice man, really useful, from what I've read your blog seems pretty applicable to us.
#11 - 2017-02-06 20:26:59 UTC
Multi Surface wrote:
So our little corp of friends are doing all sorts that eve has to offer (we lose ships)

We found a C2 wormhole (extra damage one) with a C1 and HS static, dived in and managed to clear a lot of the sites with a harbinger great fun was had and we made 56 million isk!

My question to you advanced probers of wormholes is; would it be possible to fit a small fleet of Mallers (and a single Rupture) with remote reppers and be able to clear the sites faster?

Also are Data sites worth running in the C2's? We found like nothing in worth on the three sites we cleared?

I can see the attraction to wormhole life! It is so much more involving with both of us spamming dscan like loons.

Cheers people!

Just to clarify we are all omega now, and have reasonable cruiser skills (all of us have access to t2 tanks)



If you have the ability to field a small fleet... you could do a comp like 2 augorors and everyone else in DPS boats... this could easily allow you to do c3 sites, and some of the easier c4 sites as well. Though if you're looking at mallers, I would probably suggest looking maybe towards omens or aug navies... as there's a lot of extra dps you can squeeze out of them regarding making the sites run faster.

If you wanna shoot me a mail with the specifics of people flying, i'll come up with a nice little comp that'll make you a lot more than 60 million.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

#12 - 2017-02-06 20:27:57 UTC
Taurean Eltanin wrote:
As you'll see from my blog, I'm in a C1 with a low sec static. This suits me because my focus is low sec pvp, so being able to experience pvp all over New Eden is kind of my thing. But often I can access high sec via my static easily enough, as many areas of low security space are fairly quiet. As long as you and your crew are comfortable with transiting low sec, this might suit you too.

Still, for the big stuff, nothing beats a high sec connection. I usually find that I get at least one a week, typically on a weekend, because of the extra activity. This weekend was particularly crazy, as I had a total of five wormholes in system for a while there. I use high sec connections to bring in fuel, and to move PI out. Having constant access to high sec is definitely a plus if you are not looking to pvp in low/null sec.

One disadvantage of C1s is that you can't really roll your wormholes because of the mass limitations. As a solo player, that doesn't bother me, because I'm not going to be able to roll much on my own anyway. You and your friends probably could, though, so that's a downside that a C2 or C3 doesn't have.

C1: Private. Easy to farm solo. Can't really roll wormholes.
C2: Busy. Can farm own system AND static connection. Both these factors favor corps of at least 3-4 active players.
C3: Private. Sites push the limits of what you can farm solo. Easily the most profitable unless over-farmed.



You can definitely roll c1 connections, it's actually quite easy. If you shoot me a line, i'll teach you a trick to do it MUCH faster than you normally would think it be possible.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

#13 - 2017-02-07 05:52:55 UTC
Jonn Duune wrote:

You can definitely roll c1 connections, it's actually quite easy. If you shoot me a line, i'll teach you a trick to do it MUCH faster than you normally would think it be possible.


Hehe, its a pretty good trick if its the one I'm thinking of. Hooray for Cruisers with 100MN ABs.

Regarding the OP

Here are some general rules
-Salvage is not that great anymore, always check whether running more sites would make you more ISK (i know that C3+ its not worth it unless you have a dedicated salvager that cant do DPS).
-C1s are very fast to run but not great isk each so you have to find a WH is a tonne to make any good ISK.
-C2s are OK but (same applies to C4s) they are a bit slower to run mostly due to distant rat spawns.
-C3s are good, close spawns good ISK in Blue loot more ISK per site so you need less of them.
-Your Home system is not where you make iSK (other than PI ect) its soon depleted.
-Logi are only really worth it if you a high number of pilots, any less than about 5 people and its better to self tank assuming its viable.
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-02-07 09:22:40 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Jonn Duune wrote:

You can definitely roll c1 connections, it's actually quite easy. If you shoot me a line, i'll teach you a trick to do it MUCH faster than you normally would think it be possible.


Hehe, its a pretty good trick if its the one I'm thinking of. Hooray for Cruisers with 100MN ABs.

Regarding the OP

Here are some general rules
-Salvage is not that great anymore, always check whether running more sites would make you more ISK (i know that C3+ its not worth it unless you have a dedicated salvager that cant do DPS).
-C1s are very fast to run but not great isk each so you have to find a WH is a tonne to make any good ISK.
-C2s are OK but (same applies to C4s) they are a bit slower to run mostly due to distant rat spawns.
-C3s are good, close spawns good ISK in Blue loot more ISK per site so you need less of them.
-Your Home system is not where you make iSK (other than PI ect) its soon depleted.
-Logi are only really worth it if you a high number of pilots, any less than about 5 people and its better to self tank assuming its viable.


So much advice! We're all relatively low SP and new pilots, We have found a C1 to set up shop in a few weeks so everyones buzzing for that, and plan to have a go in any holes that open up in it.

I think we will self tank or run RR ships so we can make things a bit more engaging.

Then hopefully if we enjoy it we will move into a larger wormhole =D

Corp secured it's first kill yesterday! (Who cares if it was a cyno ship)

Thanks so much for all the advice written up here people!
The Tuskers Co.
#15 - 2017-02-07 10:26:17 UTC
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Corp secured it's first kill yesterday! (Who cares if it was a cyno ship)

Thanks so much for all the advice written up here people!


Hahahaha. I remember those days, when a cyno ship kill was a big deal, padding out my non-existent killboard. Grats.

You'll find that the w-space sub-community is pretty friendly on the forums; we're playing a very niche version of Eve, and that gives us a certain automatic bond.

Just remember that in game we say 'hello' with lasers and heated plasma.

If you have any more questions, just ask. Otherwise, stop by and let us know how it all worked out.

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

Amarr Empire
#16 - 2017-02-07 12:03:14 UTC
haha cheers Taurean,

So far the evidence supports that. The support from some of you guys has been mega.

Move in date is 2ish weeks. We will be going with a small POS for now. Hopefully we wont tread on too many toes that people think it's worth taking down Shocked

Who knows one day i might be saying hello with my own lasers!
#17 - 2017-02-08 04:01:23 UTC
Multi Surface wrote:
haha cheers Taurean,

So far the evidence supports that. The support from some of you guys has been mega.

Move in date is 2ish weeks. We will be going with a small POS for now. Hopefully we wont tread on too many toes that people think it's worth taking down Shocked

Who knows one day i might be saying hello with my own lasers!



I would recommend a medium POS, not much more expensive, but much much more capable. I know groups of people who will just shoot smalls because they are there.

My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.

Amarr Empire
#18 - 2017-02-08 10:24:16 UTC
Jonn Duune wrote:
Multi Surface wrote:
haha cheers Taurean,

So far the evidence supports that. The support from some of you guys has been mega.

Move in date is 2ish weeks. We will be going with a small POS for now. Hopefully we wont tread on too many toes that people think it's worth taking down Shocked

Who knows one day i might be saying hello with my own lasers!



I would recommend a medium POS, not much more expensive, but much much more capable. I know groups of people who will just shoot smalls because they are there.


I'll have a look into it then? I see alot of people on forums talking about the 'Dickstar' setup so i may go for that as it's tried and tested!

I don't seem to be able to look at the fits you linked me in the email John? But did manage to find some RR prophecy fits and tried the navy aug last night, what a cool ship!
WE FORM V0LTA
#19 - 2017-02-08 14:08:48 UTC
Taurean Eltanin wrote:
you'll be able to make enough from PI that you can permanently pay for your Omega status. It's worth roughly 3 billion/month if you use all three of your character slots.


After 7 years, I didn't figured yet how people can make that much money with PI... Guess I'm better at losing money in this game.
The Tuskers Co.
#20 - 2017-02-08 14:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Taurean Eltanin
Benjamin Hamburg wrote:
Taurean Eltanin wrote:
you'll be able to make enough from PI that you can permanently pay for your Omega status. It's worth roughly 3 billion/month if you use all three of your character slots.


After 7 years, I didn't figured yet how people can make that much money with PI... Guess I'm better at losing money in this game.


Check out this blog post for a detailed breakdown.

People who are making less than that in PI tend to be doing one of two things: i) not understanding how much of a difference a good PI system makes compared to a bad PI system, or ii) not understanding how much more efficient a daily cycle is than (say) a weekly cycle.

For what it's worth, I ignored PI for years as well. It has a really poor reputation, and (like many things in Eve) a really steep learning curve. But once you wrap your head around it, three characters across a single account and 20 min per day can bring you in 3 billion ISK/month with level IV skills.

I've not mathed out level V skills, but you'll hit 3.5 billion/month just with the extra planet. Given the additional capacity on each planet as well, I suspect 4 billion/month is not out of the question.

You do need a good planetary system though, and part of that is being in a system that is not over-farmed (PI is a zero sum game; every other player using that planet is potentially cutting into your profits). That means good PI is limited to null sec renters, remote low sec, and w-space.

But on this forum, I don't imagine that's a problem. Big smile

If you like reading about low sec piracy or wormhole pvp, you might enjoy my blog.

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