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People paying mercs to dec gankers

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#1 - 2017-02-05 05:20:02 UTC
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted

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#2 - 2017-02-05 06:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragen Neirfallas
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted

To be perfectly honest while it didn't stop all the ganking when we were given the directive in Marmite to interupt Code. operations whenever possible for 'Reasons' it did indeed work. Personally I nabbed several gank ships in warp to targets (people were still using corp bookmarks instead of personals for the undocks) and in the HEK arena we pretty much locked ganking down or when Loyal got pissed with our efforts there we switched tactics and caught about 300mil or so in implanted pods. I believe this resulted in actual enjoyable content for us HEK squad Marmites and the Code. regulars down that way as 2 groups of hunters with different styles got to try and battle it out.

PS my favourite part was counter roleplaying with Tisi as they went from blue to red Lol

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#3 - 2017-02-05 09:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted


CODE do war dec's themselves which must mean that they have characters that are not -10. Currently you have 3 active wars started by your alliance and another pending, and when I look down your list of past wars you have a huge number of past aggressor wars and very few against you, if you were made up just of gankers you would not do that. so it has an impact on CODE. Semtex Attor is one of the hunter killers for example who specialises in decking small helpless indy corps.

In the past you had a larger war dec group most of which decamped to mercs, I did have some fun with them at one point, only smart de-aggressing on the part of a CODE player saved him from losing a ship on a bait I did.

Entities like VMG, PIRAT and Public Enemy who have currently war decked your alliance have fast lock gate camps set up in the main pipes and they will impact freighter ganking with Talos's, so it is SB's only, that is an impact.

At this point whoever funded them has had an impact, slight as it is, though the mercs could have done it on their own back due to burn Jita and the opportunity to blap Talo's and the like in and around Jita.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

#4 - 2017-02-05 12:24:20 UTC
Pizza

MERC WITH A MOUTH, Send me DPS and my fleet will double it back! Special offer!

#5 - 2017-02-05 16:01:10 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted


CODE do war dec's themselves which must mean that they have characters that are not -10. Currently you have 3 active wars started by your alliance and another pending, and when I look down your list of past wars you have a huge number of past aggressor wars and very few against you, if you were made up just of gankers you would not do that. so it has an impact on CODE. Semtex Attor is one of the hunter killers for example who specialises in decking small helpless indy corps.

In the past you had a larger war dec group most of which decamped to mercs, I did have some fun with them at one point, only smart de-aggressing on the part of a CODE player saved him from losing a ship on a bait I did.

Entities like VMG, PIRAT and Public Enemy who have currently war decked your alliance have fast lock gate camps set up in the main pipes and they will impact freighter ganking with Talos's, so it is SB's only, that is an impact.

At this point whoever funded them has had an impact, slight as it is, though the mercs could have done it on their own back due to burn Jita and the opportunity to blap Talo's and the like in and around Jita.

Sorry to pop your little bubble of satisfaction, but with the amount of wars they have, and the places where CODE. members are operating, I so very highly doubt they even care lol

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#6 - 2017-02-05 16:27:36 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted


CODE do war dec's themselves which must mean that they have characters that are not -10. Currently you have 3 active wars started by your alliance and another pending, and when I look down your list of past wars you have a huge number of past aggressor wars and very few against you, if you were made up just of gankers you would not do that. so it has an impact on CODE. Semtex Attor is one of the hunter killers for example who specialises in decking small helpless indy corps.

In the past you had a larger war dec group most of which decamped to mercs, I did have some fun with them at one point, only smart de-aggressing on the part of a CODE player saved him from losing a ship on a bait I did.

Entities like VMG, PIRAT and Public Enemy who have currently war decked your alliance have fast lock gate camps set up in the main pipes and they will impact freighter ganking with Talos's, so it is SB's only, that is an impact.

At this point whoever funded them has had an impact, slight as it is, though the mercs could have done it on their own back due to burn Jita and the opportunity to blap Talo's and the like in and around Jita.

Sorry to pop your little bubble of satisfaction, but with the amount of wars they have, and the places where CODE. members are operating, I so very highly doubt they even care lol


I am not sure what bubble you think you are popping, I for one would not waste money war decking CODE or paying mercs to do so and I would think you are quite right that CODE would not care much at this point. Especially the small rump of active players which are either running around as CODE alts in what is a Miniluv effort or those few who are still ganking mining boats. Also I noted a gank where Talos's were used, but the CODE toon was in an SB, funny that...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

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#7 - 2017-02-05 19:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
The amusing thing about these type of threads Dom is that CODE is desperately trying to stay relevant or have an impact. Someone linked in AG chat Smurf's blog, to be honest I could not help myself and jumped in and had a look, and it was just so bad, obviously in the same vein as miner bumping.

The first thing which amused me was suggesting that AG did not know that the anti-Smurf player in a thrasher was failing to save any victims, of course we knew that, but he was having fun and that was all that really mattered, to go into a long winded blog post on that was truly amazing and I found it extremely funny. In affect shooting ships that cannot shoot back is no different in affect to shooting ships that are about to be concorded, though racing CONCORD is difficult, Smurf is having fun and making ISK and taht player was having fun and making a little ISK.

I was interested in the Griffin setup and when one player was doing it I used an alt to give him remote sensor boosts, we saved two out of eight, but those two were killed the next system along by the relentless smurf, even with the boosts we realised that when smurf landed he had a period to pick his time to lock and shoot and for the Griffin it was difficult to pick right moment to get the faster lock on to then ECM him. I had one session and decided it was not worth doing.

Smurf also suggested that this DCM mining fleet thing was me suggesting that as a CODE idea, but that came from Remiel Pollard and we saw a gank carried out by multiple toons all in DCM, which made me laugh, so I warned people of the risk. Since that point we found out that it will require the player to aggress the mining fleet, so no issue.

Another thing Smurf mentioned which I found really funny was my noticing Mr Vitrix linked with a corp who had a Citadel in Sarum Prime, he seemed to be disappointed ttat I mentioned it as being linked to him potentially and that I had not war decked it, but that Citadel was already reinforced by P I R A T and we only picked up on it just before the final timer, why war dec something that was so efficiently blown up by P I R A T, I watched it blow up and the salt from the citadel owner was evident, I would not call Pi I R A T noobs.

Like all CODE propaganda it was truly badly done, we had a new player having fun blapping the already successful Smurf alt, so what, he was having fun and he was for a while making ISK, up until someone put MTU's down and that caused him to get rather upset and gave Smurf the idea for his blog.

There are a lot of new players jumping into AG at times and yesterday I had to put someone right on the fact that fleets make no difference in hisec in terms of aggression mechanics, but I have to ask you CODE players just because someone said that in AG does it make it in your heads that AG players think that fleets enable you to do things without going suspect etc. Roll If that is what you think more fool you.

I find Aaaargh immensely funny and dedicated, but I had to laugh at that blog effort and thought it was a good place to point it out here.

One final laugh, as for Aaaargs scouts I shot one with an alt and failed, Arrggggh put 25m KR on him so I left him in lowsec for a month, no joy for you there, but of course I don't know what I am doing Big smileShocked

Have fun, because I rather enjoyed it.

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When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

#8 - 2017-02-05 19:35:50 UTC
did you expect me to read the book you wrote?
I read the first two paragraphs where you had a laugh at smurf's blog...
Have you seen the HSM one? claiming victories through concord killmails XD

CODE. doen't need to make itself relevant, AG and pubbie miners do it for us Cool

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#9 - 2017-02-05 20:33:02 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
did you expect me to read the book you wrote?
I read the first two paragraphs where you had a laugh at smurf's blog...
Have you seen the HSM one? claiming victories through concord killmails XD

CODE. doen't need to make itself relevant, AG and pubbie miners do it for us Cool


Yes I did expect you to read it, I just read all of that blog post, I just wonder if some of you chaps really believe what you write?

Yes I have seen the HSM one, are you saying that talking about a campaign of ganking scouts or ganking a bumper is in some way wrong, only you can answer that. Some times they write in the same style as CODE which is funny, but it is tongue in cheek.

Anyway have fun, which is the main thing, o7

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

#10 - 2017-02-05 23:29:50 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted




Something bothering you? It's OK Dom.

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#11 - 2017-02-06 00:32:59 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted




Something bothering you? It's OK Dom.

lol get out pubbie

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#12 - 2017-02-06 07:02:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted



Something bothering you? It's OK Dom.


His security status is at 4.9, which means he can be shot any time by VMG, P I R A T and Public-Enemy which he does not like which most hisec carebears could agree with him, so he is trying to say it is not worth it against -10 toons, but he is not -10.


Dom I would have been kind and not pointed that out, but you used the Goon word pubbie to reply to Herzog which is kinda meh, as you are not a Goon you are also a pubbie, unless you/they think CODE is part of Goons?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Marmite Collective
#13 - 2017-02-06 10:56:19 UTC
People hire them, because they have more players active in highsec to kill them. We had our share of fun with CODE before too...

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#14 - 2017-02-06 11:12:17 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted



Something bothering you? It's OK Dom.


His security status is at 4.9, which means he can be shot any time by VMG, P I R A T and Public-Enemy which he does not like which most hisec carebears could agree with him, so he is trying to say it is not worth it against -10 toons, but he is not -10.


Dom I would have been kind and not pointed that out, but you used the Goon word pubbie to reply to Herzog which is kinda meh, as you are not a Goon you are also a pubbie, unless you/they think CODE is part of Goons?

You seem to have forgotten that James 315 was a goon before CODE.
You also seem to have forgotten that goons never disassociated from CODE. or vice versa.
Therefore that makes us goons despite not being in GSF Cool

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#15 - 2017-02-06 12:14:14 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted



Something bothering you? It's OK Dom.


His security status is at 4.9, which means he can be shot any time by VMG, P I R A T and Public-Enemy which he does not like which most hisec carebears could agree with him, so he is trying to say it is not worth it against -10 toons, but he is not -10.


Dom I would have been kind and not pointed that out, but you used the Goon word pubbie to reply to Herzog which is kinda meh, as you are not a Goon you are also a pubbie, unless you/they think CODE is part of Goons?

You seem to have forgotten that James 315 was a goon before CODE.
You also seem to have forgotten that goons never disassociated from CODE. or vice versa.
Therefore that makes us goons despite not being in GSF Cool


I know full well that James315 was in the Goons, but so are many people who are now referred to as pubbies, Vily, Fawlty7 are two such high level examples.

I have pointed out for years that CODE is actually part of the Goons and people in CODE have tried to down play that in the forums, so I find your reply rather interesting. So you have confirmed what I always knew but what some CODE did not want to say and attacked me for saying, to be honest one would have to be a blithering idiot to think there was no link between the two, but that was not the objective of my question., thanks for being honest though. Big smileCool

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

#16 - 2017-02-06 12:40:56 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
Why do they do it?
Do they think it'll affect in the slightest a ganker's business?
Extra: pizza or burgers?

I'm absolutely curious on the matter since it seems pointless to dec people that can be shot for free Twisted



Something bothering you? It's OK Dom.


His security status is at 4.9, which means he can be shot any time by VMG, P I R A T and Public-Enemy which he does not like which most hisec carebears could agree with him, so he is trying to say it is not worth it against -10 toons, but he is not -10.


Dom I would have been kind and not pointed that out, but you used the Goon word pubbie to reply to Herzog which is kinda meh, as you are not a Goon you are also a pubbie, unless you/they think CODE is part of Goons?

You seem to have forgotten that James 315 was a goon before CODE.
You also seem to have forgotten that goons never disassociated from CODE. or vice versa.
Therefore that makes us goons despite not being in GSF Cool


I know full well that James315 was in the Goons, but so are many people who are now referred to as pubbies, Vily, Fawlty7 are two such high level examples.

I have pointed out for years that CODE is actually part of the Goons and people in CODE have tried to down play that in the forums, so I find your reply rather interesting. So you have confirmed what I always knew but what some CODE did not want to say and attacked me for saying, to be honest one would have to be a blithering idiot to think there was no link between the two, but that was not the objective of my question., thanks for being honest though. Big smileCool

I thought you people never trusted CODE. members?
Are you going against your own rules only if you're going to be "right"
What a poor mentality tbh

Now back on track

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#17 - 2017-02-06 14:14:04 UTC
Dom Arkaral wrote:
I thought you people never trusted CODE. members?
Are you going against your own rules only if you're going to be "right"
What a poor mentality tbh

Now back on track


That is another bit of a twist and turn Dom.

So you are at 4.9 security status, as I said not all of CODE are -10 and you are a good example of that, so value for the war deckers and those that paid them.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

The Marmite Collective
#18 - 2017-02-06 14:15:58 UTC
I worked with CODE (James, Khoda Khan and Aria Stane) before they were even called CODE (Zantiu-Braun), but never seen any real active relations to Goons.

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#19 - 2017-02-06 14:34:59 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Dom Arkaral wrote:
I thought you people never trusted CODE. members?
Are you going against your own rules only if you're going to be "right"
What a poor mentality tbh

Now back on track


That is another bit of a twist and turn Dom.

So you are at 4.9 security status, as I said not all of CODE are -10 and you are a good example of that, so value for the war deckers and those that paid them.

I know most mercs that dec CODE.
They won't change their habits just to go maybe have a chance at a guy that isn't -10.0 lol
I remember a war where CODE. was our target (mind you I had been with then and my ceo knew), I recall seeing loyal with a positive sec status, neuting me out, but I don't remember the others on the gate camp shooting him.

Most groups have dudes with ganking alts or are ex-gankers themselves, so they won't bother shooting other than to say "hey look, you who paid us to shoot people that anyone can shoot, we killed a couple of them... Ty for the isk"

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#20 - 2017-02-06 15:26:43 UTC
whut is a wardec even? lulz
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