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Vindicator for missions lvl 4
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Wormhole Walter
Kherub Angels
#1 - 2017-01-28 23:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Wormhole Walter
would the vindicator work in lvl 4 missions? currently i use missiles and drones tengus and marauders and i am bored to death with them i want to try a different weapon system and different ship...........

High slots
- 8x 425mm Railgun II

Mid slots
- 2x Tracking Computer II
- 1x Senson Booster II
- 2x Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Low slots
- 1x Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
- 2x Armor Hardener II
- 3x Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
- 1x Tracking Enhancer II

Rig slots
- 2x Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
- 1x Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2017-01-28 23:41:44 UTC
Sure. Rail fits seem to be the most common for L4s.

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Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2017-01-29 15:44:04 UTC
Rails are a waste of a Vindicator, other weapon systems are better for sniping.

Highs:
8x. neutron Blaster II

Mids:
4x Cap Recharger II
500mn MWD II

Lows
2x Faction Large Armor Repair
2x Energized hardeners
3x Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizers

Rigs
Capacitor Control II
Capacitor Control I
Capacitor Control I

Charges:
25x Hobgoblin II
12,000x Null L
12,000x Void L

Good DPS, can run any two of the active modules indefinitely and it's a cakewalk on L4's
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2017-01-29 15:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
For L4 missions, blasters are a complete waste of time on the Vindicator. Rails have even proven to be superior on the Kronos, so take it for what it's worth from those of us who have run both in hundreds and hundreds of missions...

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Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2017-01-29 15:54:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolfgang Jannesen
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
For L4 missions, blasters are a complete waste of time on the Vindicator. Rails have even proven to be superior on the Kronos, so take it for what it's worth from those of us who have run both in hundreds and hundreds of missions...


I'd agree if you said beams, in a straight times race doing the same mission I'll bet I'd clear it quicker than a rail fit would, Post your fit, I'm open to the idea that they could work, I've just never seen happy numbers from rail guns compared to what I can manage with beams on a nightmare or howitzers on a Maelstrom.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2017-01-29 16:04:33 UTC
OP if you are running mission to max ISK / LP then you might want to consider the Machariel instead of the Vindicator.
If you are running missions simply because you want to then the Vindicator like every other BS In the game will do just fine.

Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
Rails are a waste of a Vindicator, other weapon systems are better for sniping.

There is no such thing as a ship or weapons system that is a waste in level 4 missions. This is a game, if they are having fun flying it that is the only thing that matters.

I have flown Vindicators and Kronos in both rail and blaster fits and in god only knows how many missions, in fact a blaster fit Kronos is one of my favored ships because up close and in your face. However, due to range and slightly better damage selection the rails would be the superior choice for most mission runners interested in either of these hulls.

If you like blasters then by all means fly them and have fun.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2017-01-29 16:06:56 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I'd agree if you said beams, in a straight times race doing the same mission I'll bet I'd clear it quicker than a rail fit would, Post your fit, I'm open to the idea that they could work, I've just never seen happy numbers from rail gums compared to what I can manage with beams on a nightmare or howitzers on a Maelstrom.

For L4 clearing missions long-range weapons will always outperform short-range versions, with the exception of 800mm autocannons. It doesn't matter if it's a Marauder, Faction, T1 or T2 battleship. I've run everything on L4s - including every possible combination of short and long-range weapons - and by and large long-range weapons simply outperform their short-range counterparts.

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Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-01-29 16:43:12 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I'd agree if you said beams, in a straight times race doing the same mission I'll bet I'd clear it quicker than a rail fit would, Post your fit, I'm open to the idea that they could work, I've just never seen happy numbers from rail gums compared to what I can manage with beams on a nightmare or howitzers on a Maelstrom.

For L4 clearing missions long-range weapons will always outperform short-range versions, with the exception of 800mm autocannons. It doesn't matter if it's a Marauder, Faction, T1 or T2 battleship. I've run everything on L4s - including every possible combination of short and long-range weapons - and by and large long-range weapons simply outperform their short-range counterparts.


I'm certain it's definitely a safer way to fly. Do you have a Vindy rail fit that you use?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2017-01-30 12:20:29 UTC
Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:
I'm certain it's definitely a safer way to fly. Do you have a Vindy rail fit that you use?

I haven't flown a Vindicator since I trained into a Kronos - mainly because the operating costs in terms of ammunition and capacitor use are drastically less with the Kronos, and you can run a very decent tank with 2-3 modules. I had been running blaster fits but switched over to rails after reading some feedback from others which convinced me that rails were the way to go.

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Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#10 - 2017-01-30 12:48:26 UTC
If you want to use rails for Level 4 missions (let's say because you trained large hybrids and rail spec. to 5) what was the best battleship to use apart from a Kronos? A micro jumping Rokh? Dominix (Navy Issue) with Sentries? Or the Vindicater that might or might not be better with blasters but is still the best ship to use with rails too?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#11 - 2017-01-30 13:00:16 UTC
Definately not a Rokh. Probably a Vindicator or a Megathron (although Vindicators are fairly reasonable in price). I have mixed feelings on dual-weapon setups (Rattlesnake, Navy Dominix, Nestor) because you have to allocate most or all of the lows to damage modules.

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Katie Oxifor
Yaro Corporation
#12 - 2017-01-30 17:25:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Katie Oxifor
[Vindicator, shield]

Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

Core X-Type 500MN Microwarpdrive
True Sansha Stasis Webifier
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Void L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5

If you have balls and isk, give this a try :), if you have maxed out skills, this thing with proper implants can push 2000+ DPS. If you have even bigger balls, then remove stasis web or invul, fit cap booster, and change rigs to extra range / damage.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2017-01-30 17:39:21 UTC
What exactly do you plan on hitting at a maximum range of 20-25km with Void? Yes, the DPS is impressive on paper. But that's maybe to a range of 10km - if you're lucky. The Kronos fares the best with blasters, but even still there are exremely few scenarios where you can effectively utilize them.

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Katie Oxifor
Yaro Corporation
#14 - 2017-01-30 18:11:24 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
What exactly do you plan on hitting at a maximum range of 20-25km with Void? Yes, the DPS is impressive on paper. But that's maybe to a range of 10km - if you're lucky. The Kronos fares the best with blasters, but even still there are exremely few scenarios where you can effectively utilize them.


M8, it's not a very useful ship, but you can have fun with it. Start with Null, take out small stuff , change to void, blap BS. But tbh to run Lvl4 you dont need Vindicator. You need Tengu for blitzing and other ships to run burners.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#15 - 2017-01-30 18:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Katie Oxifor wrote:
M8, it's not a very useful ship, but you can have fun with it. Start with Null, take out small stuff , change to void, blap BS. But tbh to run Lvl4 you dont need Vindicator. You need Tengu for blitzing and other ships to run burners.

I can have more fun with a Polarized Machariel, but I digress. A Polarized Kronos could be fun (haven't tried that one yet)... I ran the numbers and the Polarized Kronos has about 200 more DPS (diminishing) to 40km at which point standard blasters are more effective to the tune of about 100 DPS out to 70km (Polarized really stop at around 60km). This is with three range-scripted tracking computers.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#16 - 2017-01-30 20:15:54 UTC
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