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Looking for advice on a dual career path with mining

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Culamity Paiute
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2017-01-28 10:45:35 UTC
I used to play Eve a long time ago when it first came out, but I might as well be new to the game it has been so long.
I am one of those few people who enjoys mining to an extent. I would like to use mining in conjunction with something else player related. Do I get into building? Trading? What other career paths work well with mining?
Any advice is appreciated. Thank you

Culamity
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
#2 - 2017-01-28 10:48:16 UTC
Perhaps Project Discovery...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHV2MMZmQw

~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~

Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#3 - 2017-01-28 10:54:38 UTC
You can either do mining and something different from time to time to change your mind, like missionning. Or you can do different things industry-related, like planetary interaction (take time to figure out but after it's setup it's very little work for regular isk flow).

Or you can train for a stealth bomber and go rattting in belts in nullsec, or in providence in combat anoms. Or go cloaky in nullsec and lowsec to put some mobile siphon to steal moongoo from POSes. Or try to put yourself near a ice anomaly and go mine it when it's there.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Culamity Paiute
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2017-01-28 11:05:03 UTC
Hir Miriel wrote:


I do not really understand how project discovery works. I watched the video but it is just to much for me to understand. Maybe at a later date I will get into it, but for right now it just looks like a game within a game.

I was thinking of something industry related or making stuff and selling it.
Culamity Paiute
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-01-28 11:05:48 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
You can either do mining and something different from time to time to change your mind, like missionning. Or you can do different things industry-related, like planetary interaction (take time to figure out but after it's setup it's very little work for regular isk flow).

Or you can train for a stealth bomber and go rattting in belts in nullsec, or in providence in combat anoms. Or go cloaky in nullsec and lowsec to put some mobile siphon to steal moongoo from POSes. Or try to put yourself near a ice anomaly and go mine it when it's there.


Thank you for the ideas
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-01-28 13:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
Culamity Paiute

You stand accused of engaging in criminal activities:
- Conspiracy to commit theft of minerals that do not belong to you
- Glorification of subversive behaviors (mining) that are contrary to common decency and that undermine community cohesion
- Not having a valid license for your spaceship

How do you plead?

No career goes well with a life of crime. I suggest you get right with the law.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Moksa Elodie
Hijo de la Luna
#7 - 2017-01-28 14:17:12 UTC
Calm Down Ganker
mkint
#8 - 2017-01-28 14:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
I've said it before I'll say it again. Mining is easy. It doesn't have much else going for it. In order to do what you find fun, you typically have to try out more than one thing, so you can figure out what is actually fun. If you try out a bunch of other stuff and find mining fun awesome. Otherwise this might be a good place to start

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Edwin Bauer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-01-28 15:34:57 UTC
Kiddoomer wrote:
You can either do mining and something different from time to time to change your mind, like missionning. Or you can do different things industry-related, like planetary interaction (take time to figure out but after it's setup it's very little work for regular isk flow).

Or you can train for a stealth bomber and go rattting in belts in nullsec, or in providence in combat anoms. Or go cloaky in nullsec and lowsec to put some mobile siphon to steal moongoo from POSes. Or try to put yourself near a ice anomaly and go mine it when it's there.


I was trying to work out how belt ratting works in a bomber, but I couldn't really find much info. Could you please shed some light on the matter? What kind of fit would you use? Any specific flying tips? Also is there anything you have to look out for or can you just handle everything in there? Cheers!
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
Ashes of Exploration
#10 - 2017-01-28 15:48:39 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Culamity Paiute

You stand accused of engaging in criminal activities:
- Conspiracy to commit theft of minerals that do not belong to you
- Glorification of subversive behaviors (mining) that are contrary to common decency and that undermine community cohesion
- Not having a valid license for your spaceship

How do you plead?

No career goes well with a life of crime. I suggest you get right with the law.


Man children following the king Manchild is not the law, sorry kiddo.
Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
#11 - 2017-01-28 16:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiddoomer
Edwin Bauer wrote:
Kiddoomer wrote:
You can either do mining and something different from time to time to change your mind, like missionning. Or you can do different things industry-related, like planetary interaction (take time to figure out but after it's setup it's very little work for regular isk flow).

Or you can train for a stealth bomber and go rattting in belts in nullsec, or in providence in combat anoms. Or go cloaky in nullsec and lowsec to put some mobile siphon to steal moongoo from POSes. Or try to put yourself near a ice anomaly and go mine it when it's there.


I was trying to work out how belt ratting works in a bomber, but I couldn't really find much info. Could you please shed some light on the matter? What kind of fit would you use? Any specific flying tips? Also is there anything you have to look out for or can you just handle everything in there? Cheers!



Well, you'll need first the right bomber for the right rats, depending on the type of torpedoes you'll need for them. After that, try finding some high bounties BS with preferably no frigates with them, or at least non-elite frigates. A target painter or misile guidance computers for more range are always a good module to have to kill faster or safer the rats. Except from that there's not much, just dont forget bombers arent that fast and cant cloak if you're targeted by rats. If you can find some rare rats, go for them and loot their wrecks, they have implants and good modules.

In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen : “Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.”

Kenneth Endashi
Kor-Azor Slave Holdings
#12 - 2017-01-28 17:36:18 UTC
Go into manufacture. Perhaps train up all your ore refining skills and make your way up the tech ladder in regards to what you can manufacture. That will bring focus and purpose to your mining expeditions!

you might find yourself in null sec or wormhole space mining asteroids! that's actually very fun and dangerous mining
Omar Alharazaad
Praetorian Cannibals
Cannibal Empire
#13 - 2017-01-29 08:14:23 UTC
I would recommend violence.
Vague, I know, but ideally something that brews up a skillset that will aid you eventually in defending your bits and pieces.
Mission running or combat sites wouldn't be a bad choice, perhaps dabble in some low sec frigate pvp on the cheap.
This would help give you a vastly different activity choice to engage in when you don't feel like mining, and will help you be ready for that eventuality of having to run, fight or die for the things you have.
Some experience and a solid set of skills can make the run or fight outcomes more likely than the last one.
Get scary!

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#14 - 2017-01-29 09:04:38 UTC
A couple of years ago I had a small ice mining fleet in Everyshore. My characters also harvested the PI needed to make fuel blocks. Composition of fuel blocks has changed - but the demand has increased with the new structures - should still be a good business. I made a lot of ISK but eventually got bored and moved on to other activities.

At the time CODE was very active in the belts but I could park my Orca at a POS and mine with Skiffs - never had a problem. Those rules have also changed - booster now needs to be on-grid.
Pestilen Ratte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-01-29 19:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Pestilen Ratte
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I would recommend violence.
Vague, I know, but ideally something that brews up a skillset that will aid you eventually in defending your bits and pieces.
Mission running or combat sites wouldn't be a bad choice, perhaps dabble in some low sec frigate pvp on the cheap.
This would help give you a vastly different activity choice to engage in when you don't feel like mining, and will help you be ready for that eventuality of having to run, fight or die for the things you have.
Some experience and a solid set of skills can make the run or fight outcomes more likely than the last one.
Get scary!


this is VERY bad advice.

If you want to do pvp, understand that eve is an "N+1" fleet game. In other words, N +1 ships will beat N ships. There is no "invincible pwnmobile" that you can fly around in as a solo pilot and be Very Dangerous to everyone with impunity. T3 cruisers, orthrus and Svipul used to be close to this ideal, and every now and then CCP will release another for the bucks it brings, but generally speaking Eve is N+1 and violence is gang violence.

You don't need skills. You just need NUMBERS. If you want to win at Eve PVP, join a bigger blob. That's it. join the biggest gang, be the Very Dangerous pilot you always dreamed of being.

How can I put this? You are not a knight in shining armour, riding into battle on a clean white horse, with fine ladies watching your bravery.

On the contrary, you are a slightly ******** child with severe social disfunction, and you will use a short and blunt little knife to stab a crippled old lady in the eyes until she stops streaming and dies of slow blood loss. You will share in the glory with many of your kind, and gang of ******** imps who flock from haunt to haunt, consuming the weak in a frenzy of ********, demented consumption.

This is NOT a criticism of Eve. It is rather a ringing endorsement of it. No other game offers such a spectacle as New Eden. if you want a walk in the human zoo, you are in for a real treat. The people who make this game absolutely despise their customer base, and with good reason. You should see the mechanics they have devised as incentives for these people (the Very Dangerous pilots). Talk about a not very subtle slap in the face.

And the graphics are amazing.
Vanessa Celtis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2017-02-01 23:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vanessa Celtis
Culamity Paiute wrote:
I used to play Eve a long time ago when it first came out, but I might as well be new to the game it has been so long.
I am one of those few people who enjoys mining to an extent. I would like to use mining in conjunction with something else player related. Do I get into building? Trading? What other career paths work well with mining?
Any advice is appreciated. Thank you

Culamity



There are tons of things you can do and combine with the new Alpha character feature without spending real money...

but my advice would be to train an Alpha character to maximum skill for Frigates in one race and then go out there do some 1vs1 PvP with a Comet.

This is what I do and have lot of fun doing it among my several characters/alts. Mining is a constant source of income financing my PvP losses.

But keep in mind that PvP is most of the time a pure ISK loss activity. (Except if you do suicide ganking in a Catalyst where you lose each time but in return you share the loot with your alt which is you as well plying from another PC, and another character. Easy and stupid loop hole in the game to exploit left behind by CCP on purpose I suppose.)

In fact there is no win or lose in this game, just do whatever you want without fear. The bottom line is that there is only experiencing recurrent/endless killing space ships and being killed in a spaceship, knowing that there is a real player behind it which creates a lot of tears !
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#17 - 2017-02-01 23:48:31 UTC
OP, you can literally do any other activity you want to in EvE and mine when you feel like doing so. We get three characters per account letting us set them up to do many things. I have known folks who mine and also do dreadnought pvp, mine and trade, mine and build stuff, mine and small gang frigate roam, mine and explore, etc, etc, etc. You aren't limited to any one thing. Many EvE players do this sort of thing. Jump clones are our friends. Even if you just want to use one character, even an alpha, there are many things you can do while also mining when you feel like it. Trading is something that can easily be done by a mining character with any ship and any budget.


Orakkus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2017-02-02 00:09:55 UTC
Culamity Paiute wrote:
I used to play Eve a long time ago when it first came out, but I might as well be new to the game it has been so long.
I am one of those few people who enjoys mining to an extent. I would like to use mining in conjunction with something else player related. Do I get into building? Trading? What other career paths work well with mining?
Any advice is appreciated. Thank you


First off, if you are going to be industrial-e, you should do Planetary Interaction. At least for my operations in null-sec it nets me an easy 15 to 20mil profit for about 5-10 minutes worth of work.

The problem you are running into is that of all the industrial aspects in Eve Online, the most "player-related" is mining. Other industrial aspects that work well with mining like trading or construction are largely solo activities. To really enjoy the game, you are either going to have to get involved with a mining corp so that your mining becomes the player-related activity, or get involved with mission-running, incursion, or PVP related player corps.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Aurelius Oshidashi
Crystalline.
Fraternity.
#19 - 2017-02-02 18:46:06 UTC
Pestilen Ratte wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I would recommend violence.
Vague, I know, but ideally something that brews up a skillset that will aid you eventually in defending your bits and pieces.
Mission running or combat sites wouldn't be a bad choice, perhaps dabble in some low sec frigate pvp on the cheap.
This would help give you a vastly different activity choice to engage in when you don't feel like mining, and will help you be ready for that eventuality of having to run, fight or die for the things you have.
Some experience and a solid set of skills can make the run or fight outcomes more likely than the last one.
Get scary!


this is VERY bad advice.

If you want to do pvp, understand that eve is an "N+1" fleet game. In other words, N +1 ships will beat N ships. There is no "invincible pwnmobile" that you can fly around in as a solo pilot and be Very Dangerous to everyone with impunity. T3 cruisers, orthrus and Svipul used to be close to this ideal, and every now and then CCP will release another for the bucks it brings, but generally speaking Eve is N+1 and violence is gang violence.

You don't need skills. You just need NUMBERS. If you want to win at Eve PVP, join a bigger blob. That's it. join the biggest gang, be the Very Dangerous pilot you always dreamed of being.

How can I put this? You are not a knight in shining armour, riding into battle on a clean white horse, with fine ladies watching your bravery.

On the contrary, you are a slightly ******** child with severe social disfunction, and you will use a short and blunt little knife to stab a crippled old lady in the eyes until she stops streaming and dies of slow blood loss. You will share in the glory with many of your kind, and gang of ******** imps who flock from haunt to haunt, consuming the weak in a frenzy of ********, demented consumption.

This is NOT a criticism of Eve. It is rather a ringing endorsement of it. No other game offers such a spectacle as New Eden. if you want a walk in the human zoo, you are in for a real treat. The people who make this game absolutely despise their customer base, and with good reason. You should see the mechanics they have devised as incentives for these people (the Very Dangerous pilots). Talk about a not very subtle slap in the face.

And the graphics are amazing.


LOL, such a narrow-minded view on pvp! I see guys kill groups of ppl solo every week. You just describe one situation in pvp and by coincidence, its the one situation that I haven't encountered yet myself, but of course this is how it happens often, but far from always!
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#20 - 2017-02-03 16:22:54 UTC
What about putting the new character into Faction Warfare? There are several FW corps dedicated to training new chars. This will expose you to a very different aspect of the game and you might find that you like it more than mining. If you do you can use your mining char to do high sec hauling for your FW char or even start building some of his ships.

If it turns out that you don't like FW you could put your new char into mining for a while as mining works much better (and is more interesting and profitable) with multiple characters in your fleet.

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