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Setting Base / Player Owned Station General Questions

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Sukkoy Tekitsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-01-07 01:29:35 UTC
Hi everyone I got some questions I'm quite curious about.

I recently found a little, unpopulated and outcast system.
I'd like to use it as a small hanging spot, to do my own
things in tranquility and all.

In any case, I was wondering how Player owned station
worked.

Mainly :
- What's the smallest station you can have at which you can dock and deposit stuff.
(I'm mainly a miner/industry so I believe it would be a Raitaru)

- Does the station consume fuel by itself or only the modules you install on it?

- Do you need any skill to place it? (like anchoring)

- I currently have a Tayra with around 11 000 m3 of cargo, can that move a station?

I know I'm probably not ready to have my own station since I'm still quite a new player,
but I'd like to be informed so I can start working toward that goal.

Thanks and have a nice day!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-01-07 05:21:35 UTC
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2017-01-07 08:42:53 UTC
So.. I'm going to nitpick some terminology. Then I'll answer questions.

1) Player owned station is a rather outdated term and basically means the same as outpost in the vernacular. You can't have one.

2) POS, which is I assume what you mean when you say player owned station, is actually player owned starbase. These are still viable and can be used -- but you can't dock at one. Never could. They're also a bit of a mess to work with compared to the new Upwell structures. Having said that, a small POS is a great first investment. More on that later.

3) The other option you have is a citadel and/or engineering complex. You can in fact dock in those and while they are expensive to put up they have no operating costs out of box.

Option 1) is honestly out. Just trust me on that one. You can't put a new one up anymore and it's an alliance-level asset. Taking one is a pita. Just scratch it.

Options 2 and 3 are within your reach, but they're corporation-level assets. If you want "your own" then you'll also need your own corporation.

Deploying either requires anchoring... 1? For a small POS or higher for a larger POS. I believe anchoring 1 is all Upwell structures need regardless of size.

A POS does require hourly fuel no matter what you put on it, but the modules don't require fuel.

EC/citadels are the opposite, where the structure doesn't require fuel but the service modules do. And they require quite a bit of it. More than a small POS, certainly.

A small POS will get you the equivalent of T1 rigged refining at a high sec citadel/EC for all of 100mil isk or so. It's a damn steal. I highly recommend it while it still exists. Compression is separate though. You do need to find an open moon but unless you're near Amarr or Jita that shouldn't be an issue. A small POS can also support a small research operation if you fit it to do so. Mediums can handle more, larges even more.

The smallest dockable structure is currently a Raitaru, so that's 650mil. If you just want to dock, then that's it. Actually doing anything with it would require more investment, of course, with rigs easily quadrupling the value of the structure alone. Service modules would actually make it functional in one way or another. Other fittings are there for defense.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#4 - 2017-01-07 11:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Zhilia Mann wrote:
The smallest dockable structure is currently a Raitaru, so that's 650mil. If you just want to dock, then that's it. Actually doing anything with it would require more investment, of course, with rigs easily quadrupling the value of the structure alone. Service modules would actually make it functional in one way or another. Other fittings are there for defense.

This.

Biggest issue for very small operations is the onlining cost of engineering modules. If you don't need them all the time and take them offline, a relaunch costs about 17-18m. Depending on the module more (capital stuff) or less (reprocessing). Since modules are specialized and there are 4 of them that can be used in HS, you are basically running a large POS if you want the whole package online all the time.

The POS system is much more flexible in this regard. If you don't need everything online all the time, you may be able to use just a small POS, since there are no slot limitations in structures / service modules. A small POS is about 5m in fuel costs per day and there are no onlining costs. You have to take down the additional structures though, if you let the POS go offline. Otherwise a wardec will come your way, because someone is going to take the chance and blow them up for drops.

Remove standings and insurance.

Sukkoy Tekitsu
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-01-07 15:22:22 UTC
Thanks to all of you, this pretty much answers all my questions :)

Everything looks so interesting.

I'll probably try to get a small Raitaru,

cause at the moment my main concern would
only be docking and storing really.