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Hi CCP, this is a little annoying TBH
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Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-12-09 12:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrix Foster
OK, I am in low sec and warp to an ice belt in a combat ship to maybe clear the belt and there are no rats there......OK cool, go back to station and get in a mining ship and go back to the same belt.....no-one there and then start mining.

20 seconds after start mining then a bunch of rats turn up and as I'm in my Prospect then have to bail to the station.....and get my combat ship to go clear the belt again. Get to the belt in my combat ship and the rats have disappeared, even if I hang there for a minute or two they don't show back up.

So, go back to get my mining ship and go back to the belt to mine and the rats turn up again 20-30 second after I start mining....rinse and repeat.

Very annoying tbh CCP.

May I be pertinent to suggest that if rats turn up in a belt they should stay there for a while. Is that asking too much?

Yes, many will say what's the problem, miners should have a hard time etc......but this sucks
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#2 - 2016-12-09 13:06:52 UTC
well you didnt hang around when combat ships showed up so why should they, you got blueballed

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-12-09 13:14:35 UTC
NPCs adopting goons tactics Shocked
that's next level!!! good job ccp
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-12-09 13:24:22 UTC
Ok...maybe you folks are right...but mining in low sec is already hard enough and a fool's errand in many ways/forms..

This situation just compounds the issue.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#5 - 2016-12-09 13:29:16 UTC
use a rorqual it has 7 minute invulnerability so the rats will get bored and warp out so you can continue making isk, thats really the only solution, what system is it so we can tailor a fit for the specific rat damage etc etc

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#6 - 2016-12-09 13:29:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Alasdan Helminthauge
1. I don't think a prospect can mine ice.
2. the rats in low-sec belts are at most normal cruisers, so if orbiting with AB and tanked and fitted with combat drones, a venture/prospect/endurance should have no issue to deal with them.

EDIT:something totally wrong, thanks to Hendrix Foster for pointing out my fault. I must have read some out-dated stuff.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-12-09 13:36:40 UTC
Yes, it's the rats that are annoying in lowsex.

Poe detected.

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#8 - 2016-12-09 13:40:47 UTC
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-12-09 13:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrix Foster
1. Prospect can mine ice

2. Prospect has no defence really other than cloak and disappear or bail asap

3. The only viable way to solo mine in low sec is a Prospect, otherwise you live there and your corp is in control in the area etc.

4. They nerfed the drone bay

5. If you want to use a Skiff or a Procurer...well, good luck with that. Low sec is not about tank etc. it's about not getting caught in the first place

6. I was talking about a solo effort...not a fleet with an orca or Rorq etc. with a def ship or two.

cheers
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#10 - 2016-12-09 13:47:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
Hey, this is going to sound like a really crazy idea. But hey. Why don't you take a ship which is capable of mining the Ice and killing the rats? Crazy idea I know. But it might just work.

Also, Prospect? Ice mining? Why aren't you using an Endurance, or Procurer, or a Skiff? Prospect does not have the yield bonuses for ice mining.
Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-12-09 13:48:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Yes, it's the rats that are annoying in lowsex.

Poe detected.


Easy to avoid other players when in a Prospect.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#12 - 2016-12-09 13:53:51 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Yes, it's the rats that are annoying in lowsex.

Poe detected.


Easy to avoid other players when in a Prospect.


I would argue that the Endurance is not much different. It doesn't have CovOps Cloak. But it has no speed penalties with a conventional cloak. Which allows you to slip away on grid. Lowsec has no bubbles or dictors, so warping uncloaked is not at all dangerous.
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#13 - 2016-12-09 13:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
(duplicate post)
mkint
#14 - 2016-12-09 13:56:52 UTC
Don't mining anoms still follow the old mechanics of 1 spawn of the system's normal belt rats?

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Torin Corax
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2016-12-09 14:51:32 UTC
I use an endurance in low sec without any issues. It can mwd+cloak perfectly well to get around and has more than enough damage to deal with rats.
That said I usually just tank the rats by orbiting a 'roid (afterburner not required most of the time).

However, have you tried putting a single ice mining laser on your combat ship? Don't know if it's the mining that triggers a spawn but it does seem to get attention. Once you've had a spawn it takes a while to see another one (can't remember if I've had a second spawn without a warp out first).
Lasisha Mishi
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2016-12-09 14:59:53 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
OK, I am in low sec and warp to an ice belt in a combat ship to maybe clear the belt and there are no rats there......OK cool, go back to station and get in a mining ship and go back to the same belt.....no-one there and then start mining.

20 seconds after start mining then a bunch of rats turn up and as I'm in my Prospect then have to bail to the station.....and get my combat ship to go clear the belt again. Get to the belt in my combat ship and the rats have disappeared, even if I hang there for a minute or two they don't show back up.

So, go back to get my mining ship and go back to the belt to mine and the rats turn up again 20-30 second after I start mining....rinse and repeat.

Very annoying tbh CCP.

May I be pertinent to suggest that if rats turn up in a belt they should stay there for a while. Is that asking too much?

Yes, many will say what's the problem, miners should have a hard time etc......but this sucks

*insert massive group of cloaked rats sitting in asteroid field watching you*

rat 1: he's in his combat ship again
rat 2: patience....he'll change to a miner soon
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#17 - 2016-12-09 15:51:36 UTC
Prospect or Endurance?

If Endurance, just use light drones to kill the frigates/destroyers and then sig/speed tank everything else.

You shouldn't have to warp out for rats. Kill the smaller ones and the bigger ones won't be able to hit you.
TackyTachy1
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-12-10 05:30:23 UTC
MultiBoxer's solution: Miner mining, something mean and nasty cloaked awaiting rats/gankers. Usually works, sometimes not.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#19 - 2016-12-10 06:09:37 UTC
Hendrix Foster wrote:
1. Prospect can mine ice

2. Prospect has no defence really other than cloak and disappear or bail asap

3. The only viable way to solo mine in low sec is a Prospect, otherwise you live there and your corp is in control in the area etc.

4. They nerfed the drone bay

5. If you want to use a Skiff or a Procurer...well, good luck with that. Low sec is not about tank etc. it's about not getting caught in the first place

6. I was talking about a solo effort...not a fleet with an orca or Rorq etc. with a def ship or two.

cheers

Go with an Endurance.

Can't warp cloaked but you get no speed loss from a cloak so you can align cloaked and then decloak and instantly warp.

Better for mining ice than a Prospect and it has a drone bay.
Vigirr
#20 - 2016-12-10 06:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vigirr
Hendrix Foster wrote:
1. Prospect can mine ice

2. Prospect has no defence really other than cloak and disappear or bail asap

3. The only viable way to solo mine in low sec is a Prospect, otherwise you live there and your corp is in control in the area etc.

4. They nerfed the drone bay

5. If you want to use a Skiff or a Procurer...well, good luck with that. Low sec is not about tank etc. it's about not getting caught in the first place

6. I was talking about a solo effort...not a fleet with an orca or Rorq etc. with a def ship or two.

cheers


So you choose to use a ship that's obviously meant to run & hide and then complain about how you can't hang with npc? You can mine just fine in low sec with a procurer if you choose to do/fit it right. Or just use the endurance.
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