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Why people leave EVE

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Teirnid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-10-01 07:52:15 UTC
So I'm going to prefix this with statement that the following is going to spark controversy and not everyone is going to agree.

EVE online has been built to cater to those who enjoy PvP. I get that this is EVE and the learning curve is very high. Maybe that's the problem. The learning Curve is high. I know many players don't make it that far as newbs because of the curve. The tutorial has helped with that alot. Chalk one up for CCP.

That being said, I left EVE after getting past the starting stuff. Why did I leave? I was ganked. Yeah, I know. It's part of the game. Put your big boy pants on and deal. And I did...... when it happened the first time. But the second time came to a $105.00 death if in game money was converted to real world funds. I happen to be in Jita during the second burning in my freighter. A death of a hulk or Mackinaw you can recover from. It sucks but that's life. But a death of that scale you can't recover from. It's crippling.

I had contacted support and to be fair it was a fair kill in High Sec as a gank. There was nothing they could do. I informed CCP that I was quitting EVE effective immediately. That they would no longer receive my money. Many gankers run two accounts. one for their personal use and one for ganking specifically. It makes sense that CCP would support players that are paying for two accounts instead of one. And as a ganker, they need prey. Fair fights are for suckers. So of course they go for the easy kill.

I came back to EVE finally after 3 years of swearing that I would not play again just to check out what the changes were before the game goes F2P. Honestly, not much has changed. Some of the corps have moved around and miner ship additions and changes but people still troll and grief because as a killer they feed on other peoples tears.

Most people who have a real live outside the game with real concerns and real world problems can't afford to have hours and hours of intensive labor be ripped away because a ganker thinks it's fun. They want that easy kill. Prey if you will. And they won't go to low sec because suddenly they have something more to loose and the players down there aren't as easy a kill.

Now with CODE in the high sec and more organized then in the days of Hulkageddon it's even worse. Packs of 12 Catalyst roaming the high sec destroying anyone they please and not caring about the alt account. It makes me sad to realize that EVE hasn't really changed at all. It's a game for the PvPer's only and not for anyone looking for the Social or PvE aspect. I believe a DEV CCP Rise even said that most new players don't make it that fair due to the lack of social interaction with corps. I feel that EVE had alot going for it but the population of the game is down from where is was three years ago. I remember when roaming High Sec wasn't a thing and Roaming in Hounds and Manicores were a thing in low sec.

I feel that this is largely in part to the focus being on PvP and not on the Social aspect. And it's difficult to focus on Social when the minute you undock you are fearing for your ship and your life. Why play if all that's going to happen is your going to die in high sec. Worse yet would be a newer player who doesn't even know the risk he is running being in a mining barge early game getting ganked and not understanding why he got ganked or how he could do a better job to avoid it in the future. Either make Null, low, and high sec all the same or increase the punishment for ganking in high sec. That or specifically advertise the game as PvP game and nothing else.

EVE is a nitch market. You have to make the Game cater to more then just the Killers and gankers or you'll never grow the gamer base. But you have to make the change without upsetting the PvP players you have currently. I think that when my subscription is up I won't renew it. It was good to see the game again but not enough has changed to get me to stay.

I wish the best of luck to you CCP. Fly Safe.
Bishop Bob
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-10-01 08:01:32 UTC
Teirnid wrote:
WORDS


Why didn't you....No, it isn't even worth trying to help.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2016-10-01 08:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
You flew a freighter during a well publicised event that was all about killing freighters and other expensive stuff, in the very system the event was targeting and you exploded. WTF did you think was going to happen?

To top it off you then quit because you couldn't handle the fact that the blame for your demise rested entirely upon yourself. You've since come back and are complaining about PvP happening in a PvP game, so you're going to quit again.

Be sure to biomass all of your characters after you give me your stuff.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
#4 - 2016-10-01 08:19:50 UTC
Jesus Christ, James. You're awesome, we get it. You don't have to remind us with a new thread every other day.
Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#5 - 2016-10-01 08:20:26 UTC
So do you or do you not have stuff that I can have?

On a more serious note, I think you have let your disdain for pvp and fear of loss prevent you from recognizing the point of the game.
Ships don't matter. Isk doesn't matter. These are rounds in your magazine. Don't get attached to them.
Use your resources to accomplish the goals you set for yourself.

You don't want to interact with others, because you might get griefed?
It's a pitiable state to be in where you shy away from social interaction for fear of losing imaginary wealth.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
#6 - 2016-10-01 08:27:26 UTC
You know that you've got ganked real good when it takes you more than three years to get to the forums to complain about it.

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec

Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#7 - 2016-10-01 08:39:23 UTC
"I bought some Marmite 3 years ago and really didn't like it so I sent a letter to the company that makes it that I'm really not happy about this and that I would stop buying their Marmite unless they would make it taste more like peanut butter. I just tried it again and wtf, it STILL tastes like Marmite, how stupid are these people? Can't they see that if they'd change Marmite to taste more like peanut butter they'd sell so much more? They must be idiots to not want me, a peanut butter lover, to buy their Marmite".

Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-10-01 09:06:23 UTC
There's an existing thread that is currently at 91 pages long right on this very page.

Why did you need your own special snowflake thread?

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#9 - 2016-10-01 09:19:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Pelletier
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
There's an existing thread that is currently at 91 pages long right on this very page.

Why did you need your own special snowflake thread?

He sent CCP a message dontyouknow that the game should be changed according to his ideas because he runs two (TWO!!!) accounts, so his opinion is clearly more important. The one account plebs can post in that thread.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-10-01 09:21:24 UTC
I think the OP has a point and it boils down to one question:

Do we want more players who do not enjoy space combat?


A basic rule of EVE is: any ship in any space can be destroyed. This should never change, and I don't think it ever will.

But currently in EVE there already are several activities that don't involve destructable ships in space:

. Station trading
. SP farming
. Gambling
. Scamming
. Industry (in NPC stations)
. Diplomacy
. Probably several others I forgot

Some of them may require hauling at some point, but hauling can be outsourced to friends or specialized corps.

PI is an exception as, to my knowledge, the customs office logistics must be done by the character doing the PI on the planet.


These activites are quite popular, quite essential to EVE's ecosystem and quite impactful (IWI funding WWB immediately comes to mind). They are also strongly linked to spaceship PVP - materials and trade goods need to be hauled, the ISK for gambling ultimately comes from in-space activities like ratting, etc. But on their own, they can be performed while never undocking.


So finally we already have a great symbiotic relationship between 'non-pilots' that never risk a ship (though they often risk their ISK in other ways) and pilots.


Since this already works quite well, maybe CCP should look to add more non-spaceship activities, for example:
. Gambling in stations, of the 'PVP' kind (e.g. poker)
. Player-made SKINs and/or clothing (though there must be the need to move them in space before selling, else we'd lose the symbiosis with PVP; for example, make them designable anywhere but manufacturable just in null or WH space)
. Re-working PI to decouple the PI activity from the hauling (allowing contracts in customs offices, for example)


TL;DR: freighters will always be gankable, as any ship in any space. But we could all benefit from offering 'peaceful' players more options to actively be part of the game and the community.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#11 - 2016-10-01 09:23:06 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I think the OP has a point and it boils down to one question:

Do we want more players who do not enjoy space combat?


That's not what he's saying.
Arcelian
Abditum Testa Societas
#12 - 2016-10-01 09:25:37 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
There's an existing thread that is currently at 91 pages long right on this very page.

Why did you need your own special snowflake thread?

He sent CCP a message dontyouknow that the game should be changed according to his ideas because he runs two (TWO!!!) accounts, so his opinion is clearly more important. The one account plebs can post in that thread.


I have 6 accounts so I must be on god-like status with CCP. I should really have a forum all to myself.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#13 - 2016-10-01 09:28:20 UTC
Teirnid wrote:
But the second time came to a $105.00 death if in game money was converted to real world funds





RMTer detected

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-10-01 09:30:02 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I think the OP has a point and it boils down to one question:

Do we want more players who do not enjoy space combat?


That's not what he's saying.
It's the interesting part, once you filter all the whining.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
#15 - 2016-10-01 09:32:48 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I think the OP has a point and it boils down to one question:

Do we want more players who do not enjoy space combat?


That's not what he's saying.
It's the interesting part, once you filter all the whining.


No what he's saying is "I want to play this game but without the risk of losses, why isn't CCP listening to me?".
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#16 - 2016-10-01 09:42:33 UTC
Teirnid wrote:

EVE is a nitch market. You have to make the Game cater to more then just the Killers and gankers or you'll never grow the gamer base. But you have to make the change without upsetting the PvP players you have currently. I think that when my subscription is up I won't renew it. It was good to see the game again but not enough has changed to get me to stay.

I wish the best of luck to you CCP. Fly Safe.


But EVE does cater to more than the "Killers and Gankers". It's just that my Hauler alt has to be looking very carefully when traveling certain routes (carrying a scouting ship seems a good idea) and that makes a boring task more enjoyable.
And I have to be observant when doing exploration.
What would EVE be like without the threat?
Tennoku
Mercury Nation
#17 - 2016-10-01 09:51:29 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Vincent Pelletier wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I think the OP has a point and it boils down to one question:

Do we want more players who do not enjoy space combat?


That's not what he's saying.
It's the interesting part, once you filter all the whining.


No what he's saying is "I want to play this game but without the risk of losses, why isn't CCP listening to me?".


You're talking past Gully. He's taking what the OP said, and drawing a related but different lesson to the OP that he thinks is interesting.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#18 - 2016-10-01 10:08:27 UTC
Teirnid wrote:


EVE is a nitch market. You have to make the Game cater to more then just the Killers and gankers or you'll never grow the gamer base. But you have to make the change without upsetting the PvP players you have currently. I think that when my subscription is up I won't renew it. It was good to see the game again but not enough has changed to get me to stay.

I wish the best of luck to you CCP. Fly Safe.



No offence but this sounds more like like a case of you flying something you could't afford to lose. What? CCP doesn't need to cater to anyone's playstyle. Highsec is totally awkward though, I agree. I'm not really sure what would be the best solution but I do have my observations and I've basically summed up that there are 3 kinds of Eve players. One's like you that won't adapt despite having a Large Ion Blaster held to your head, then there's the highsec guys with the Large Ion Blaster, and then the rest of us.

I hope you don't take this loss as your reason to quit the game. There's far better reasons to quit Smile

@lunettelulu7

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2016-10-01 10:23:33 UTC
Vincent Pelletier wrote:


No what he's saying is "I want to play this game but without the risk of losses, why isn't CCP listening to me?".


Unfortunately they have been.
Takoma Panala
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-10-01 10:38:28 UTC
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:

But EVE does cater to more than the "Killers and Gankers". It's just that my Hauler alt has to be looking very carefully when traveling certain routes (carrying a scouting ship seems a good idea) and that makes a boring task more enjoyable.
And I have to be observant when doing exploration.
What would EVE be like without the threat?


A pretty screensaver?
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