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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#1 - 2016-08-02 08:51:45 UTC
Anyone else notice the decline of activity in the smaller hubs? I have nothing to back my opinion, I just feel like the smaller hubs are slowing down.

Opinions please

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John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-08-02 09:05:00 UTC
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile
The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#3 - 2016-08-02 09:21:33 UTC
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.

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If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
John Volan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-08-02 09:49:55 UTC
My point was that I always remember Dodixie being that size proportionally to Jita, but I suppose all of the trade hubs might have diminished traffic along with the decreased login rates.
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-08-02 10:59:03 UTC
Sales have definitely slowed down.

Some of the stuff I manufacture is taking much longer to shift now.

I blame Brexit :)

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#6 - 2016-08-02 11:21:22 UTC
Dodi activity is in freefall. This works really, really well for me. I've been able to do things there that would never work in a more competitive market like price manipulations on high volume items.

It's three factors.

First and most important - the rise of near-zero fee trade Fortizars. It's now possible to source anything near Jita without undergoing the gank risk of docking at 4-4. Now you can get the same stuff at Perimeter

Second - the sharp decline in Red Frog and similar services thanks to CODE activity over the last 2 years.

Third - A declining playerbase means that Dodi is losing some of its critical mass.

It's still possible to reliably source any item that players can mass produce that is under 5 billion in Dodi except officer mods. When/if this changes Dodi will go the way of Hek or even Oursalert.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2016-08-02 11:23:20 UTC
Drago Shouna wrote:
Sales have definitely slowed down.

Some of the stuff I manufacture is taking much longer to shift now.

I blame Brexit :)



On production - have you shifted your production to account for the smaller playerbase?

I personally could probably produce enough Kronos hulls to meet the entire collective demand of the playerbase.

I've had to diversify lately - the days of pumping out 3000 Magstab 2 per day knowing they'll all sell are long over. 3000 a day is just too big a percentage of overall demand.

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Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#8 - 2016-08-02 11:36:29 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Drago Shouna wrote:
Sales have definitely slowed down.

Some of the stuff I manufacture is taking much longer to shift now.

I blame Brexit :)



On production - have you shifted your production to account for the smaller playerbase?

I personally could probably produce enough Kronos hulls to meet the entire collective demand of the playerbase.

I've had to diversify lately - the days of pumping out 3000 Magstab 2 per day knowing they'll all sell are long over. 3000 a day is just too big a percentage of overall demand.



Yeah I have, several times.

Certain things ie mining crystals, energy crystals, ammo which you would think would be in demand all seem to be struggling. Other things seem to move nicely but overall it's slowed down in Dodi.

I've even mothballed a few blueprints due to a lack of sales now, or so slow it's wasting a sales slot.

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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra
#9 - 2016-08-02 12:43:57 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.



I am not mentioning player base here...

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-08-02 18:19:42 UTC
Same observation here, nothing unexpected though. This is the logical consequence of introducing prohibitive fees to trade. Jita/Perimeter is the only public hub left of significant volume. Also alliance manufacturing and trade has moved to non-public markets and Citadels.

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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2016-08-02 20:26:50 UTC
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.



I am not mentioning player base here...



Did you forget to log in with your alt when replying? Enquiring minds want to know!


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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#12 - 2016-08-02 23:18:53 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.



I am not mentioning player base here...



Did you forget to log in with your alt when replying? Enquiring minds want to know!


Idea



Hey bumble-bozo, I know it is hard for you, but please stay on topic you clown.

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If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
#13 - 2016-08-02 23:22:03 UTC
Interesting times ahead, I would have never thought that hubs as we have known them for years may slowly disappear.

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If you already assume we are scammers without looking at what we offer objectively, go ahead and F*** off.

Thank you, that is all.
Robby Rova
Doomheim
#14 - 2016-08-04 06:09:17 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
William Legrand-Marx wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.



I am not mentioning player base here...



Did you forget to log in with your alt when replying? Enquiring minds want to know!


Idea



Hey bumble-bozo, I know it is hard for you, but please stay on topic you clown.


confirmed
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2016-08-04 08:54:08 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Interesting times ahead, I would have never thought that hubs as we have known them for years may slowly disappear.



Jita will have a phenomenal amount of inertia, just due to the hundreds of trillions of ISK in assets that are stockpiled there.

Just Chribba's Veldspar collection (0.01 T units) is a thousand freighter loads. That's not moving easily.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-08-04 11:48:19 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
Interesting times ahead, I would have never thought that hubs as we have known them for years may slowly disappear.



Jita will have a phenomenal amount of inertia, just due to the hundreds of trillions of ISK in assets that are stockpiled there.

Jita/Perimeter will probably survive and the other hubs will still have stock of the most basic daily use items. But there are more and more items which are exclusively (in public) traded in Jita.

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Skeeter Schlong
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#17 - 2016-08-04 18:10:45 UTC
Rather than using observation, let's try some hard numbers. (with citations!)

In February, trade volume was $42.2 trillion. That declined to $19.4 trillion by July.

February: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/02_-_LBAeCSa.png

July: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70454/1/1_regional.stats.png

That sounds like solid evidence of a decline, but you also have to look at Jita and Amarr. They both experienced about the same 50 percent decline. So, most likely, it's not that Dodixie is declining. All the hubs are.

There's a pretty obvious reason this is happening.

Manbearpig. He's ruining Eve.
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#18 - 2016-08-04 20:16:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Elizabeth Norn
Skeeter Schlong wrote:
Rather than using observation, let's try some hard numbers. (with citations!)

In February, trade volume was $42.2 trillion. That declined to $19.4 trillion by July.

February: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/02_-_LBAeCSa.png

July: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70454/1/1_regional.stats.png

That sounds like solid evidence of a decline, but you also have to look at Jita and Amarr. They both experienced about the same 50 percent decline. So, most likely, it's not that Dodixie is declining. All the hubs are.

There's a pretty obvious reason this is happening.

Manbearpig. He's ruining Eve.


I'm inclined to believe that July's figures are closer to the 'norm' than previous months. In February Skill Injectors were added to the game, which are still very popular, and an incredible amount were sold in the first weeks (36.4k on the first day, ~173k in the first week). In February 203.7T ISK worth of Skill Injectors were traded in Jita (I'm too lazy to look anywhere else), the following months were 150.2T, 150.6T, 116T, 100.4T, and finally 95.7T ISK in July. This doesn't include the trade value of Skill Extractors or PLEX, the latter of which had a large increase in sales volume over the last few months. From March to May we had World War Bee which saw a higher PCU than average, also it appears that there have been several large scale evacuations from null sec space, I imagine some of that will have ended up being sold in trade hubs.

September 2015: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/regional.stats.png
February 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/02_-_LBAeCSa.png
March 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70162/1/1_regional.stats.png
April 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70258/1/1_regional.stats.png
May 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70343/1/1_regional.stats.png
June 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70401/1/1_regional.stats.png
July 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70454/1/1_regional.stats.png

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Epsilon Dog
Omega Armament
#19 - 2016-08-05 10:10:48 UTC
The Fukuzawa wrote:
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.


Possibly buff to ship EHP, and skill injection.
It is easier to move goods now to Jita from whole eve, and your 5mil sp freighter pilot not only can make isk from hauling, but extracting him give you additional income.

Goods are to easy and cheap to move now.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2016-08-05 11:34:45 UTC
Epsilon Dog wrote:
The Fukuzawa wrote:
John Volan wrote:
According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. Big smile



That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.


Possibly buff to ship EHP, and skill injection.
It is easier to move goods now to Jita from whole eve, and your 5mil sp freighter pilot not only can make isk from hauling, but extracting him give you additional income.

Goods are to easy and cheap to move now.



Goods are harder and more expensive to move than they were 3 years ago (before CODE. started hitting freighters, and back when the 'Autopilot To Zero' exploit was in widespread use).

Red Frog used to charge 5.6 million to haul a billion isk freighter from Jita to Dodixie. They now quote 26m, about a 350% increase.

Individual couriers used to do it for 4m, now contracts sit around a while at 14m.

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