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Switching to Wine

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CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2016-07-21 14:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Back in March, we announced adding support for Wine as an alternative to Cider, the wrapper used to run the EVE client on OS X. The feedback we have received has been very positive, with most players reporting improved stability and performance.
We are now planning to stop supporting Cider in September, so we encourage everybody that hasn't done so already to switch to Wine. The latest launcher prompts you to make the switch to Wine, making this process quite straight-forward.

What is Wine?
As stated on www.winehq.org Wine is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows application on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, Mac OSX and BSD. Instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop.

Wine options
You shouldn't have to change any Wine options, and these may change at any time as we get feedback.
For now, the main option is what version of Wine should be used - we provide daily builds from the Wine git repository (git://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git). If you select 'Use dev versions' you can choose any of a number of recent daily builds, or to always use the latest one. If you leave the dev versions checkbox unchecked, you can select from stable builds that have had some testing.
The WINEDEBUG field allows you to set a value for the WINEDEBUG environment variable that controls debugging output from Wine. This can be useful for tracking down issues, but should in general be left empty.

What if it doesn't work?
Go to Preferences and select Cider for the wrapper, then everything should work as it did before. Please do tell us about it, either by posting in the feedback thread or by filing a bug report. Our goal is to improve the Mac experience and we need your feedback on this to do that.

EDIT: The last launcher update failed to persist the Wine preference - there is a second update where you may be prompted again - apologies for the inconvenience.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2016-07-21 14:32:21 UTC
Known issues

  • Launcher needs to be restarted after changing wrapper type
  • Launcher needs to be restarted after changing Wine version
  • There are stability issues with busy scenes at high resolutions. This actually applies to Cider as well.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

ashahara
EVE University
Ivy League
#3 - 2016-07-21 17:08:29 UTC
I'm having pretty much a faultless experience under wine , long may it continue.
Wanttaebolt
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-07-21 19:38:20 UTC
Wine is great on my 13" Macbook whilst running fullscreen. However when I switch to windowed mode (which I have to do to look at my browser or multi box) the default Mac resolution kicks in meaning my window is too big for the screen. I can reduce the resolution however this messes up all my windows and looks horrible.

On Cider I could have native mac res with a high res eve window, however I could not stretch or resize this window on the fly.

I can't seem to increase my Macbook resolution to the same as I run Eve at. Google has not helped and now I only got a month to find a solution before Cider support is ended.

Can anyone help?
Io Achari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-07-22 06:37:05 UTC
Wanttaebolt wrote:
Wine is great on my 13" Macbook whilst running fullscreen. However when I switch to windowed mode (which I have to do to look at my browser or multi box) the default Mac resolution kicks in meaning my window is too big for the screen. I can reduce the resolution however this messes up all my windows and looks horrible.

On Cider I could have native mac res with a high res eve window, however I could not stretch or resize this window on the fly.

I can't seem to increase my Macbook resolution to the same as I run Eve at. Google has not helped and now I only got a month to find a solution before Cider support is ended.

Can anyone help?


i'm having the same problem with fixed window mode
Plodding
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-07-22 08:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Plodding
Part of my screen help to you https://yadi.sk/i/bRvrEU3OtXLir or mb not, have the same option on 13"?

At first look client is much higher performance, thx for this update
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2016-07-22 09:39:14 UTC
Wanttaebolt wrote:
Wine is great on my 13" Macbook whilst running fullscreen. However when I switch to windowed mode (which I have to do to look at my browser or multi box) the default Mac resolution kicks in meaning my window is too big for the screen. I can reduce the resolution however this messes up all my windows and looks horrible.

On Cider I could have native mac res with a high res eve window, however I could not stretch or resize this window on the fly.

I can't seem to increase my Macbook resolution to the same as I run Eve at. Google has not helped and now I only got a month to find a solution before Cider support is ended.

Can anyone help?

Do you have a Retina display?

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

Lucas Ballard
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#8 - 2016-07-22 21:40:17 UTC
Cider has been glitchy for me, with the game locking up randomly from time to time. (I've lost two sets of Sisters probes as a result, though the devs have been nice and given them back to me.

However I am having a MUCH WORSE experience with WINE on my mid-2011 Thunderbolt iMac. Twice now I have tried to use it, and both times the same exact same issue occurs:

* I login and arrive at my station, and after I open my Beta Map to plan a route, there is a sound alert, and my mouse cursor changes to a question mark.
* Then less than 10 seconds later, I get the beach ball of death. The screen is locked on the station and I cannot interact with it, though the music is still playing.
* I can use Alt-Tab to select other apps that might be open, but the screen never changes. I can use Alt-Tab to quit other applications, including the game client. However I am unable to quit the WINE Launcher.
* I am unable to get back to anything else, including the Finder, and I am forced to do a hard restart of the machine.

I have just submitted a bug report, and I will try again later to see if I can do it a third time and get a screenshot or two.

HELP?

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac12,2
Processor Name: Intel Core i7
Processor Speed: 3.4 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 8 MB
Memory: 16 GB
Boot ROM Version: IM121.0047.B23
SMC Version (system): 1.72f1
Jimmy Shimmer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-07-22 22:31:10 UTC
Mid-2011 iMac here, 3.4GHz i7. Graphics is AMD Radeon HD 6970M.

Game is super smooth on Cider - 45+ FPS with all graphics on and maxed except antialiasing. Switched to Wine, left defaults. Looked on in station, maybe a tad slower, but after undocking graphics run full speed about a second, pause, then run normal a second, then pause, etc. FPS counter actually shows "peaks" occurring at that time. The slight frame rate drop is disappointing but the glitching/pausing breaks the game. If you need additional logs/data please let me know.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2016-07-22 23:44:44 UTC
Jimmy Shimmer wrote:
Mid-2011 iMac here, 3.4GHz i7. Graphics is AMD Radeon HD 6970M.

Game is super smooth on Cider - 45+ FPS with all graphics on and maxed except antialiasing. Switched to Wine, left defaults. Looked on in station, maybe a tad slower, but after undocking graphics run full speed about a second, pause, then run normal a second, then pause, etc. FPS counter actually shows "peaks" occurring at that time. The slight frame rate drop is disappointing but the glitching/pausing breaks the game. If you need additional logs/data please let me know.

Please file a bug report from within the game - that'll include logs and system specs.

Could you try some different settings, in particular turning off post-processing? Let me know what effect, if any, that has. Also try a smaller window size.

Most players see improved performance from what I've seen so far, so I'm interested in finding out what makes your experience different.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#11 - 2016-07-22 23:48:22 UTC
Lucas Ballard wrote:
Cider has been glitchy for me, with the game locking up randomly from time to time. (I've lost two sets of Sisters probes as a result, though the devs have been nice and given them back to me.

However I am having a MUCH WORSE experience with WINE on my mid-2011 Thunderbolt iMac. Twice now I have tried to use it, and both times the same exact same issue occurs:

* I login and arrive at my station, and after I open my Beta Map to plan a route, there is a sound alert, and my mouse cursor changes to a question mark.
* Then less than 10 seconds later, I get the beach ball of death. The screen is locked on the station and I cannot interact with it, though the music is still playing.
* I can use Alt-Tab to select other apps that might be open, but the screen never changes. I can use Alt-Tab to quit other applications, including the game client. However I am unable to quit the WINE Launcher.
* I am unable to get back to anything else, including the Finder, and I am forced to do a hard restart of the machine.

I have just submitted a bug report, and I will try again later to see if I can do it a third time and get a screenshot or two.

HELP?

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac12,2
Processor Name: Intel Core i7
Processor Speed: 3.4 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 8 MB
Memory: 16 GB
Boot ROM Version: IM121.0047.B23
SMC Version (system): 1.72f1

Could you try running at a lower resolution, and lower graphics settings, in particular the post-processing and anti-aliasing? It sounds like it might be running out of memory, this would help confirm it. Please add this information to the bug report.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

Jimmy Shimmer
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-07-23 01:19:46 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:

Please file a bug report from within the game - that'll include logs and system specs.

Could you try some different settings, in particular turning off post-processing? Let me know what effect, if any, that has. Also try a smaller window size.

Most players see improved performance from what I've seen so far, so I'm interested in finding out what makes your experience different.



Switched Wine versions a couple of times, back on the default "latest" choice and weird pausing/glitching is gone, so not sure what that was about. Frame rate is still about 10-15fps lower. Will play with graphics options but normally all are set to "High" except antialiasing. Will file a bug report as requested.
Daxx D'arkon
Dark 0rder.
VINDICTIVE
#13 - 2016-07-23 04:06:23 UTC
I updated from Cider to Wine today.

Fullscreen mode works great. It's noticeably faster and smoother on my macbook pro 15" retina at 2880x1800.

When I run windowed mode with a smaller resolution so that I can work with my other windows, the client begins to glitch. If I try to drag and move a window to reposition it, it will jerk and stutter as it moves across the screen. While in empty space, clicking in space and dragging it to reposition the camera will also display the same jerky stutter or shaking. One time, while moving the camera, it got stuck or something and the screen starting spinning in circles very fast until I tried to move the camera somewhere else. Very dizzy. I was unable to recreate this.

Going to fullscreen seems to resolve these issues instantly.
Selena Na'sharr
The Ebon Guard
Sixth Empire
#14 - 2016-07-23 12:51:30 UTC
I've switched to Wine the other day and it works great, except for 2 things:
* Bookmark ordening seems to be different for special characters (I used to put an asterisk in front of important bookmarks to place them at top, but now they end up at the bottom of the list.
* the sensitivity of setting the scanning probe resolution using ALT-scrolling is off the chart and isn't usable as a result.
Kelmantis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2016-07-23 13:20:51 UTC
When changing desktops it minimises the client when in full screen mode
Plodding
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-07-23 21:04:02 UTC
Hello,
Few days ago I switched to Wine client press Yes button when clauncher ask me, but today when I start Eve Launcher and start the game client, it start in old mode. Before https://yadi.sk/i/UX2eN47ztZgqX today https://yadi.sk/i/wmwCLDD_tZgsP Would you explain me how always lunch with wine? Thanks
Wanttaebolt
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2016-07-23 23:17:15 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Wanttaebolt wrote:
Wine is great on my 13" Macbook whilst running fullscreen. However when I switch to windowed mode (which I have to do to look at my browser or multi box) the default Mac resolution kicks in meaning my window is too big for the screen. I can reduce the resolution however this messes up all my windows and looks horrible.

On Cider I could have native mac res with a high res eve window, however I could not stretch or resize this window on the fly.

I can't seem to increase my Macbook resolution to the same as I run Eve at. Google has not helped and now I only got a month to find a solution before Cider support is ended.

Can anyone help?

Do you have a Retina display?


Yes, I have a Retina display
Bodaaa
Bokkenrijders
#18 - 2016-07-24 04:40:29 UTC
Wanttaebolt wrote:
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Wanttaebolt wrote:
Wine is great on my 13" Macbook whilst running fullscreen. However when I switch to windowed mode (which I have to do to look at my browser or multi box) the default Mac resolution kicks in meaning my window is too big for the screen. I can reduce the resolution however this messes up all my windows and looks horrible.

On Cider I could have native mac res with a high res eve window, however I could not stretch or resize this window on the fly.

I can't seem to increase my Macbook resolution to the same as I run Eve at. Google has not helped and now I only got a month to find a solution before Cider support is ended.

Can anyone help?

Do you have a Retina display?


Yes, I have a Retina display


This has kept me from switching to Wine as well. Hope it can be fixed.

15" MPBR
Lucas Ballard
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#19 - 2016-07-24 23:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Ballard
CCP Snorlax wrote:

Could you try running at a lower resolution, and lower graphics settings, in particular the post-processing and anti-aliasing? It sounds like it might be running out of memory, this would help confirm it. Please add this information to the bug report.


I tried it again, and switched the graphics to a lower setting, turned post-processing to low, and already had anti aliasing disabled. Changes took effect, and then the second I opened the map, the cursor was a question mark again, and the client locked up as before.

Tried again, found that everything was fine with the lower settings, until I opened the Map Beta. Crashed as before. Tried again, turned settings back up, tweaked a couple of things, and it ran just fine... UNTIL I opened the Map Beta. Then it instantly changed the cursor to a question mark and got the beach ball of death.

It seemed to be tied to the Map Beta. Every time I tried to access it when I am docked this happened.

BUT I realized that I have a gaming mouse with the default Ctrl + F10 for the Map Beta shortcut set to a button. So on a lark I changed that, in case there was a conflict of some sort.

When I changed the keystroke binding to something else and changed the command in EVE, the problem went away.

So somehow there was a conflict with the command using the mouse software and WINE. Should not happen, but it was happening.

EDIT: I have found that any mouse binding that includes a Function key in it causes the problem
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#20 - 2016-07-25 10:45:52 UTC
Plodding wrote:
Hello,
Few days ago I switched to Wine client press Yes button when clauncher ask me, but today when I start Eve Launcher and start the game client, it start in old mode. Before https://yadi.sk/i/UX2eN47ztZgqX today https://yadi.sk/i/wmwCLDD_tZgsP Would you explain me how always lunch with wine? Thanks

It seems I forgot to persist the changed settings - I'll have to release another launcher update today. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

You can also change this manually in the launcher Preferences.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/

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