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Grappler Bonuses

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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#1 - 2016-06-16 17:06:09 UTC
I think that a bonus should be applied to ships like the Bhaalgorn when using Grapplers. The Bhaalgorn would have its 100% turret damage bonus reduced to 75% with a 5% additional bonus added to the Stasisfier Range giving it a 1% increase per level of web range per level.

Stasis Grappler Bonus : 15% increase in optimal range with a 1% per level in effectiveness falloff per level up to level 5.

Cade Windstalker
#2 - 2016-06-16 17:17:06 UTC
This would be hilariously OP, there's a reason the ships with web bonuses don't also have grappler bonuses. They're different modules, with different roles, and shouldn't share bonuses like this.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2016-06-16 22:39:48 UTC
also the e-war that baglhorns have is cap warfare, it would be odd to have two e-war on same ship, and its not like current pilots want it to be lessened in its current roles.

If it only make sense to have a stasis bonus go to the grapler, and even then mabey not.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-06-16 23:22:44 UTC
Sephiroth Clone VII wrote:
also the e-war that baglhorns have is cap warfare, it would be odd to have two e-war on same ship, and its not like current pilots want it to be lessened in its current roles.

If it only make sense to have a stasis bonus go to the grapler, and even then mabey not.


Stasis bonus working on grappler mean a Vindicator slow you down by over 120% in optimal range.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2016-06-17 00:23:20 UTC
No maybe about it unless you want Vindicators that make you fly backwards...

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-06-17 02:20:05 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
No maybe about it unless you want Vindicators that make you fly backwards...


The funniest part of this question is that maybe even CCP don't know WTF really would happen if they did apply a slow greater than 100% on a ship. For all we know, ship velocity is a variable that can't be negative and the number would just loop back to maximum value sending the target ship flying forward at "bumping out of the sun" speed.

CCP can you please test this on a dev server and report on the result.

PLEASE
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#7 - 2016-06-17 14:29:07 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
No maybe about it unless you want Vindicators that make you fly backwards...


The funniest part of this question is that maybe even CCP don't know WTF really would happen if they did apply a slow greater than 100% on a ship. For all we know, ship velocity is a variable that can't be negative and the number would just loop back to maximum value sending the target ship flying forward at "bumping out of the sun" speed.

CCP can you please test this on a dev server and report on the result.

PLEASE

An interesting thought, but it is likely that CCP has accounted for this already with a simple check for a negative number.

Although the whole idea of making a ship fly backwards using a module could be hysterically OP in and of itself.

to get back on track -1 to the OP.
Cade Windstalker
#8 - 2016-06-17 15:25:47 UTC
Sephiroth Clone VII wrote:
also the e-war that baglhorns have is cap warfare, it would be odd to have two e-war on same ship, and its not like current pilots want it to be lessened in its current roles.

If it only make sense to have a stasis bonus go to the grapler, and even then mabey not.


FYI from the Uni Wiki entry for the Bhaalgorn:

Quote:
Minmatar Battleship bonuses (per skill level):
20% bonus to Stasis Webifier optimal range


So the ship already has multiple EWar systems. The discussion is about whether or not web bonuses should apply to Stasis Grapplers.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#9 - 2016-06-17 15:31:19 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
No maybe about it unless you want Vindicators that make you fly backwards...


The funniest part of this question is that maybe even CCP don't know WTF really would happen if they did apply a slow greater than 100% on a ship. For all we know, ship velocity is a variable that can't be negative and the number would just loop back to maximum value sending the target ship flying forward at "bumping out of the sun" speed.

CCP can you please test this on a dev server and report on the result.

PLEASE

An interesting thought, but it is likely that CCP has accounted for this already with a simple check for a negative number.

Although the whole idea of making a ship fly backwards using a module could be hysterically OP in and of itself.

History has shown that the game code doesn't like values greater than 100% or less than 0 unless the DEVs make special allowances.

Deep Space Transports with more than 100% resistance to a damage type would take infinite damage if hit by that damage type.

Tracking and range would revert to (respectively) "perfect" and "infinite" if the tracking and range value of a turret went below 0.

It is really funny when it happens.

How did you Veterans start?