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New player looking for some pointers and potential friends

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Lawliet Butler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2016-04-27 15:37:14 UTC
So Ive been playing for just 2 days now and I'm looking for some guidance on how to properly fit ships so that when I encounter other players trying to kill me, I can at least have a chance to fight back or run. Already died once (in like just a few seconds) while I was playing with the safety setting thing. Right now I've been working on some PvE missions to establish some money and of course to obtain new weapons and equipment. Eventually I would like to get more involved with PvP but that will come much much later. For now, I'm just interested in finding a mentor, so to speak, that I can shadow and learn all that I can about this game. Would really appreciate the help and in return I'll be happy to help you.............depending on what you need from a noob like me lol.

So far my ship that I'm using has some small shield boosters, armor reperers, a 125 mm rail gun, 75mm rail gun and the default blaster. Went ahead and bought some launchers for later.

Some questions:

What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?

How can I get the most out of my ship and survive PvP encounters without losing my valuables?

For a noob, how should I outfit my ship to get the most out of it and what should I focus on buying?


Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#2 - 2016-04-27 15:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Lawliet Butler wrote:
So Ive been playing for just 2 days now and I'm looking for some guidance on how to properly fit ships so that when I encounter other players trying to kill me, I can at least have a chance to fight back or run. Already died once (in like just a few seconds) while I was playing with the safety setting thing. Right now I've been working on some PvE missions to establish some money and of course to obtain new weapons and equipment. Eventually I would like to get more involved with PvP but that will come much much later. For now, I'm just interested in finding a mentor, so to speak, that I can shadow and learn all that I can about this game. Would really appreciate the help and in return I'll be happy to help you.............depending on what you need from a noob like me lol.

So far my ship that I'm using has some small shield boosters, armor reperers, a 125 mm rail gun, 75mm rail gun and the default blaster. Went ahead and bought some launchers for later.

Some questions:

What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?

How can I get the most out of my ship and survive PvP encounters without losing my valuables?

For a noob, how should I outfit my ship to get the most out of it and what should I focus on buying?




Welcome to eve.

(1) The meta in eve is always changing - when i started playing everything was shield fit, then all of a sudden people wanted armor. Both armor and shields, each have their advantages and disadvantages. As a general rule - you pick the type of ship and then match your defensive systems (armor or shield or something else, i.e. speed, ecm, etc) to the natural bonuses of the ship. Of course this rule can be broken and you can fit a ship against type - but that is something that really is specialized and only for experienced players. TLDR: Pick a ship you like to fly and train your skills to fit.

(2) Only fly what you can afford to lose. Assume that every ship you undock is already lost. Start with cheap frigs and cruisers and fit them with t1 mods. If you keep the expense of your ship down then you will not have to do much if any pve to afford it. Keep in mind, bigger and/or more expensive is not better in eve. Big large and expensive ships are killed by small cheap ships all the time in eve. Dont be one of those unfortunate newbees who spend a plex to get the most expensive ship they can thinking that it is going to be an i win button only to see it assplode in a sec.

(3) There is no universal fit that is good for all situations and all ships. Basically, you pick the ship you want to match what you want to do then you try and fit it appropriately to perform the job you intend. Of course most pvp ships will fit some sort of tank - armor, shield, speed, ecm, - tackle - warp scrams, disruptors and webs, - and gank - guns, drones, etc.... Keep to either shield or armor - dont fit both. also dont mix guns - using two different types of rail guns and a blaster is bad, and just hurts my eyes. Other then that you would have to post what type flying and tell us what you want to do with it before any more constructive advice could be given.

Finally, the best advice is to make friends - join a corp - your corp mates should be able to tell you what they fly and help you fit your ships out. Not all corps are equal of course. There are some really good newbee corps out there. Brave and pandemic horde comes to mind.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2016-04-27 16:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Annemariela Antonela
Some general advice: don't be in a hurry. Read; google stuff (look for very recent dates, not stuff older than 2015); watch youtube.

Browse Eve University

Learn to use the Eve Fitting Tool

Spend time in the game client comparing modules, skills, and the market.

The fact that you already turned off your safety is a great sign that you have a future in PvP, which is where the magic happens.

Feel free to contact me via Eve Mail and I will send you a few isks to help you get started.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Francis Raven
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2016-04-27 17:16:12 UTC
Lawliet Butler wrote:
So Ive been playing for just 2 days now and I'm looking for some guidance on how to properly fit ships so that when I encounter other players trying to kill me, I can at least have a chance to fight back or run. Already died once (in like just a few seconds) while I was playing with the safety setting thing. Right now I've been working on some PvE missions to establish some money and of course to obtain new weapons and equipment. Eventually I would like to get more involved with PvP but that will come much much later. For now, I'm just interested in finding a mentor, so to speak, that I can shadow and learn all that I can about this game. Would really appreciate the help and in return I'll be happy to help you.............depending on what you need from a noob like me lol.

So far my ship that I'm using has some small shield boosters, armor reperers, a 125 mm rail gun, 75mm rail gun and the default blaster. Went ahead and bought some launchers for later.

Some questions:

What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?

How can I get the most out of my ship and survive PvP encounters without losing my valuables?

For a noob, how should I outfit my ship to get the most out of it and what should I focus on buying?




What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?
You are a gallente pilot, therefore you want Hybrid Guns, Armor, and Drone skills
Priority should be a T2 armor tank, T2 drones then T2 Guns.

How can I get the most out of my ship and survive PvP encounters without losing my valuables?
If you are going to PVP, dont carry valuables. It would be nice to learn more about the condition where you died so that we can help. In short, dont run into Lowsec/Wormhole .

Being smart with your ship is the best way to keep it alive. You need to know what ships your current ship is capable of fighting, and that comes with experience and many many loses.

For a noob, how should I outfit my ship to get the most out of it and what should I focus on buying?
Frigates and cruisers are the way to go for PVP and even PVE (with the T2/T3 counterparts).
Focus on those, along with their T2 fittings. As mentioned above, you can use Eve University and other resources to learn what to fit to your ship.

One thing to note, PVP and PVE fittings will be different. In PVP, you need scrams and webs and neuts.
In PVE, you need strong guns and strong tank.

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Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#5 - 2016-04-27 18:30:55 UTC
Not sure what you are flying now, almost sounds like a rookie ship, Gallente, would be the Velator.

Rookie ships are frigates and they aren't hideous to fight with. They are actually fairly flexible for playing with fitting and figuring things out. They don't have much of anything in the way of slots, capacitor, power grid, or anything else for that matter but they are FREE and free is awesome when trying to figure out how to fit and fight... so long as it's against other rookie ships!

That super big gun make look great on screen but it might actually be awful in combat. You start to learn about traverse (tracking speed), range limitations, etc.

If you can find a couple of other rookies that want to figure it out as well, duel each other trying different fits. It keeps Concord out of it and you can get some practice at real PvP.

Now, all that knowledge gets moved on to bigger and better ships which you'll find out that each has their own use, personality, awesomeness and failures.

Fitting is an art form, and while it looks like it might be simple math, actual combat throws that to the wind. I know that from PvE combat... lots of it. If PvE combat tosses it around like a Rat Terrier with a ragdoll, I can only imagine what PvP would do to it.

I use http://o.smium.org for my fitting tool. There are plenty out there.
Lawliet Butler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2016-04-27 19:24:11 UTC
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
Some general advice: don't be in a hurry. Read; google stuff (look for very recent dates, not stuff older than 2015); watch youtube.

Browse Eve University

Learn to use the Eve Fitting Tool

Spend time in the game client comparing modules, skills, and the market.

The fact that you already turned off your safety is a great sign that you have a future in PvP, which is where the magic happens.

Feel free to contact me via Eve Mail and I will send you a few isks to help you get started.



really apreciate the help. so far, isk isnt a problem for me, doing the career missions has given me quite a bit. lol but the market is kinda confusing with the bidding. guess thats one thing i should go look into more.
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-04-27 20:49:11 UTC
Lawliet Butler wrote:

so far, isk isnt a problem for me


heheh, it will be.

Check your wallet.

Do your homework-- get your fitting/armor/drone/gunnery skills up, get into an Incursus or an Algos or something casual, and start doing level 1 security missions while you're learning the game. Gallente is totally awesome in the current metagame.

Welcome to Eve.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Memphis Baas
#8 - 2016-04-27 21:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
Lawliet Butler wrote:
[...] how to properly fit ships so [...] I can at least have a chance to fight back or run.
Already died once [...] while I was playing with the safety setting thing.
For now, I'm just interested in finding a mentor [...].

So far my ship that I'm using has some small shield boosters, armor reperers, a 125 mm rail gun, 75mm rail gun and the default blaster. Went ahead and bought some launchers for later.

What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?

How can I get the most out of my ship and survive PvP encounters without losing my valuables?

For a noob, how should I outfit my ship to get the most out of it and what should I focus on buying?


1. "How to properly fit ships" can be a long post; I'm sure EVE University has some detailed guides on it. I'll touch briefly on it at the bottom. "At least have a chance to fight back or run," however, is actually relatively easy: the ships in this game are set up in a rock paper scissors / queen beats rook beats pawn setup. Of course it's possible to win against all odds, but in general if you're flying one ship and you meet the ship that's designed to be your specific predator, you'll likely die.

So you want to create a ships quick reference for yourself, with your own annotations, so when you see "Arazu" in the overview, you can glance at it and have an idea how dangerous that ship is vs. what you're flying. And as you learn the game and read various guides, you'll be able to better evaluate your chances based on what you're facing.



2. High-sec safety settings. The game has 3 broad zones: High-sec, low-sec, and null. In null, anybody can kill anybody, it's full PVP. In low-sec, there are some rules of engagement, but mostly you just lose some standings if you attack anyone (i.e. no big deal). High-sec, in an effort to make it "safer" for newbies, has A LOT of rules, and the police (Concord) appear and kill anyone who breaks (some) rules. EVE University has a list of these aggression rules and the various flags you can get for taking various actions in high-sec.

Changing the "safety" from green to yellow to red is a declaration that you understand how things work and accept the consequences, whether it'll be a flag or Concord actually killing you when you shoot other people out of the blue. The game server will accept your new safeties and kill you without much notice, because "you know the consequences."



3. Mentors. Simply put, babysitting you in-game is an effort; it's somewhat pointless because there are so many guides out there, and because this forum exists and you can ask as many questions as you want, here, and it's also unrewarding because as a newbie you don't have a lot of money to pay for such services. Also, players in this game are allowed to scam, steal, kill, and otherwise ruin the corps/guilds they join, so "let's be friends" is always viewed with suspicion. Especially, I'm going to say, since you're a newbie who doesn't seem to need isk, which is more like what a funded spy alt would say.



4. Your newbie ship is a piece of crap. Each race offers a line of basic frigates that are pretty cheap (at 400k or so), and usually perform much better than the newbie ship. You can use the in-game Ship Chart to see what your trained skills allow you to fly, and you can also use the market as an encyclopedia to search for things and then right-click and Show Info. You can see stats, descriptions, required skills, etc. this way.



5. Ship Fitting is somewhat complicated, but the concept is simple:

a. Figure out what the ship is intended for, from its (show info) description. Also, its preferred weapons (also from description).

b. Decide if you want long range combat (where you can kite and dance out of enemy range), or short range high damage "this won't take long" combat.

c. Each weapon has long range and short range versions. For example, lasers: beam lasers = long range, pulse lasers = short. Fit all your high slot weapon racks with the same identical weapon, long or short range, whichever you decided on.

d. Fit mid slots with a propulsion (afterburner or MWD) so you can be faster than the enemy and dictate that range.

e. Fit some sort of defense (shield defense requires mid slots and typically includes a shield booster, shield hardeners, and / or shield extenders; armor defense requires low slots and typically includes an armor repairer, armor hardeners, and / or armor plates). Whether you pick shield or armor depends on the slot layout of the ship; some have a lot of mid slots, others have a lot of low slots. Frigates typically have very few slots and rely more on speed and agility than on actual tanking.

f. In any remaining low slots, fit damage modules that match the weapon you're using (heat sinks for lasers, magnetic field stabilizers for hybrids, ballistic controls for missiles, drone damage augmentors for drones). These increase your DPS.

g. In any remaining slots, fit utility: warp disruptors, stasis webifiers, target painters, capacitor rechargers, etc. These make your ship perform better, or crowd-control the enemy ships.

h. Undock.

You should get an off-line tool like EFT, pyfa, or o.smium so you can play with fittings without having to buy modules in-game just to see what they do. You should also look at various sample fittings for the ships on EVE University or whatever other guides you see out there.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-04-27 21:42:55 UTC
Welcome to EvE.


Just a side note: You can train to fly any race's ships,. A pilot is not restricted because of the race one starts out with. Amarr and Gallente ships both use armor tank and drones (Amarr less drones less, but still often) so the skills transfer a little easier. Amarr use lasers, Gallente use hybrid / rail guns and drones. Minmatar and Caldari use shields. Minmatar use projectile guns, Caldari mostly missiles. At first, choose what you like and focus on that weapon type. Tain your ship engineering skills that are useful for all ships. Have fun!

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2016-04-27 23:27:43 UTC
Lawliet Butler wrote:
I'm just interested in finding a mentor, so to speak, that I can shadow and learn all that I can about this game.

This is a lot to ask of one person and probably not a good idea either. However it's not a lot to ask of a group. Also this is not a linear game it's a sandbox so having different perspective is probably a much better idea. Rather than looking for a mentor I think you should be looking for friends.

Make friends and join some pubilc chat channels. Lots of recruiting corps have public chat channels that you can join. You can join multiple channels and ask questions in different channels this will allow you an opportunity to see if the corp might be for you.
Lawliet Butler wrote:

So far my ship that I'm using has some small shield boosters, armor reperers, a 125 mm rail gun, 75mm rail gun and the default blaster. Went ahead and bought some launchers for later.

You typically don't want to be mixing tank types or weapons. Too much to really cover here you just need to learn more about ship fitting.
Lawliet Butler wrote:

What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?

Due to the exponential growth in time frame for each skill level you typically should not be focusing on anything. You want to spread your skills around and bring things up evenly in most cases. That does not mean that you can't make a priority list just don't focus. At least not this early in the game and without finding your own playstyle. There are no inherent shoulds in this game so you need to come up with your own way and not blindly follow advice from anyone.

As far as shield versus armor most ships have one or the other that they are designed for. That does not mean that you can't fit it the other way it just means that in most cases it's not a good idea. However in Eve there are no ship fitting guidelines that are without exception. The best we can do is tell you what works well in most situations but not all.
Lawliet Butler wrote:

How can I get the most out of my ship and survive PvP encounters without losing my valuables?

Everything in this game is situational. The answer to this is dependant upon what ship you are flying, how you are flying it, who you are flying it against and where you are flying it. Again you need to just learn more about fitting in general so that you can ask more specific question. You can read up on this some but in the end you will need to learn through experience which means trying stuff out. This is where the friends can help a lot. You can get people to help you with specific fits and then play around with the base fit by switching out various mods and seeing how it changes the ship.

As far as surviving PvP encounters... In general I advise people to focus on the positive aspect of things. So don't say "without loosing my stuff" rather say something like "make it through with my ship intact".

Beyond that if you are looking to get good at PvP in this game you need experience. One way to measure experience is through ships lost, especially if you learn from each loss. So if you want to learn PvP it could be said that instead of looking to survive each encounter you might want to try going out and loosing a bunch of ships. Often when people set out to PvP it's not over until they've lost their ship. Meaning you often head out intending to not come back with your ship.
Lawliet Butler wrote:

For a noob, how should I outfit my ship to get the most out of it and what should I focus on buying?

This question I feel has been answered by my previous answers.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Lawliet Butler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-27 23:45:30 UTC
Already a lot of help. I'll keep this all in mind and experiment with it all once I log back on later today. Thanks a lot!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-04-28 00:33:12 UTC
Francis Raven wrote:

What should I focus on more? Shields and armor? Or weapons?
You are a gallente pilot, therefore you want Hybrid Guns, Armor, and Drone skills
Priority should be a T2 armor tank, T2 drones then T2 Guns.

There really is no reason that you should stick to Gallente ships just because your character is Gallente. If you like Gallente ships by all means fly them but the race of your character and the ships that you fly only need to be the same if you are a hard core RPer.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2016-04-28 00:50:33 UTC
Lawliet Butler wrote:
Already a lot of help. I'll keep this all in mind and experiment with it all once I log back on later today. Thanks a lot!

I used to watch list players like you so that I could contact you when you were online. CCP removed that from the game. If you could give an idea of your normal play time I can try to start up a convo with you from time to time

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-04-28 02:43:19 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Lawliet Butler wrote:
Already a lot of help. I'll keep this all in mind and experiment with it all once I log back on later today. Thanks a lot!

I used to watch list players like you so that I could contact you when you were online. CCP removed that from the game. If you could give an idea of your normal play time I can try to start up a convo with you from time to time


don't listen to players like ergherhdfgh because she is trying to corrupt you. I've already given you real money in game, which means I am waaaay beyond the simple wiles of such a Fhtagn nagh Yog-Sothoth, who probably has floppy tytxx whereas mine are sharp, sharp indeed-- and then there is the diabolical aspect of Wanting Stain, which you will have to fortense with Thyself a Monion, I mean, naturally, amirite? And then some. Anyhooh, m'lovespleet?

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#15 - 2016-04-28 14:56:06 UTC
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
don't listen to players like ergherhdfgh because she is trying to corrupt you. I've already given you real money in game, which means I am waaaay beyond the simple wiles of such a Fhtagn nagh Yog-Sothoth, who probably has floppy tytxx whereas mine are sharp, sharp indeed-- and then there is the diabolical aspect of Wanting Stain, which you will have to fortense with Thyself a Monion, I mean, naturally, amirite? And then some. Anyhooh, m'lovespleet?


You really shouldn't mix prescription drugs and alcohol... especially when talking about the Elder Gods, you could accidentally summon them, which would be... interesting.
Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2016-04-28 15:39:07 UTC
Pandora Carrollon wrote:
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
don't listen to players like ergherhdfgh because she is trying to corrupt you. I've already given you real money in game, which means I am waaaay beyond the simple wiles of such a Fhtagn nagh Yog-Sothoth, who probably has floppy tytxx whereas mine are sharp, sharp indeed-- and then there is the diabolical aspect of Wanting Stain, which you will have to fortense with Thyself a Monion, I mean, naturally, amirite? And then some. Anyhooh, m'lovespleet?


You really shouldn't mix prescription drugs and alcohol... especially when talking about the Elder Gods, you could accidentally summon them, which would be... interesting.


You nailed it.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Dani Gallar
Doomheim
#17 - 2016-04-29 16:29:10 UTC
Even though I'm pretty new myself one advice I would give is to not focus on one particular field when it comes to skill training. EVE is a very 'large' game with loads of different possible activities and it's almost impossible to know what you will find interesting.

I went with a 'cover most bases' approach with my early training by following (with a few extra skills) one of the many Newbie Skill Plans that exists. Since EVE have what I would refer to as shallow training with only 5 ranks in each skill you should consider taking a broad approach and train most 'core' skills to Rank 3 in order to be able to try out everything without being 'gimped' due to low character skill.

Refer to UniWiki (or a simillar site) to see what 'core' skills and go from there. If unsure of what to train remember that skills from the Navigation (and most of Engineering) categories make EVERY ship perform better and thus are always worth training. When it comes to fitting there really are not defenitive rules but you can always look on the ships info for a 'general idea' of what to fit it with.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#18 - 2016-04-29 20:46:55 UTC
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
Check your wallet.





I, too, have recently started and ISK is a problem. Make my wallet go flashy-flash plox!



Quote:
Welcome to Eve.



Thank you, you too!




GL OP! You're in for a magical adventure...just hang on in there!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Annemariela Antonela
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-04-29 23:14:36 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Annemariela Antonela wrote:
Check your wallet.





I, too, have recently started and ISK is a problem. Make my wallet go flashy-flash plox!



Quote:
Welcome to Eve.



Thank you, you too!




GL OP! You're in for a magical adventure...just hang on in there!


Aww, you know I would love to, buddy... but this was my (hopefully) single semi-public booze-and-pill-fueled trip down the rabbit hole for this year! Noobs was helped, but I am afraid to look at what I may have posted elsewhere online. I hope my corp forgives me for degenerating into incoherence on TS as well.

“Culture is like a smog. To live within it, you must breathe some of it in and, inevitably, be contaminated.”

― Richard K. Morgan, Altered Carbon

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#20 - 2016-04-30 11:43:27 UTC
Aw, jee shucks Cry


That's OK, I understand - Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi, after all.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

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