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Caldari PvE ships?

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Mikael Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-04-05 11:12:58 UTC
Hey guys, new player here. Im just looking for some advice on fits and ships to use for PvE. Im already flying a Kestrel and running level 1s and have been able to do a couple level 2s in it, but Im just looking for help from this point forward. Id like to stick with missiles and drones, so any tips for training and ship fittings would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
Al Nomadi
Morawins
#2 - 2016-04-05 11:41:26 UTC
Rattlesnake is your aim. Check what skills are needed there and plan accordingly. For Level 2 and Level 3 missions with really low skills your best ship is Gnosis. With better skills you can switch to Drake for Level3 and then to Rattlesnake for Level4.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2016-04-05 13:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Donnachadh
Al Nomadi wrote:
Rattlesnake is your aim. Check what skills are needed there and plan accordingly. For Level 2 and Level 3 missions with really low skills your best ship is Gnosis. With better skills you can switch to Drake for Level3 and then to Rattlesnake for Level4.

If the OP wants to use drones then I can see this suggestion. However since the Rattle requires both Gallente and Caldari BS to 5 to be at it's best plus the need for drones skills the Rattle may be best left as a longer term goal. And in the long term the Rattle is not specifically the best of the Caldari based mission ships, the Golem in many ways is superior to the Rattle.

For the short term I would suggest the Caracal as a reasonable level 2 ship with the Drake being an excellent choice for level 3's. For you first ventures into level 4's a Raven, Navy Raven would be better than the Rattle because lower skills requirements. That and all of the skills you train for the Raven will be needed for the Rattle if you choose to go that way.
Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
#4 - 2016-04-05 13:18:39 UTC
Tengu or Gila are good options if you want to do PvE outside of highsec.

but what would I know, I'm just a salvager

Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#5 - 2016-04-06 05:55:49 UTC
Train up for the Jackdaw.
Light missiles, shields, prop and of course PG and CPU skills. Push into a Caracal and heavy missiles. Train Caldari Cruiser to 5 and get into a Cerberus and Tengu.

If you want Caldari ships, nothing beats the Tengu for PVE versatility.
You can pretty much go anywhere from there.

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#6 - 2016-04-06 15:24:16 UTC
Mail me or convo me in game. (I'm at work, so not in game atm)
Kamahl Daikun
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-04-06 15:27:16 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
Train up for the Jackdaw.
Light missiles, shields, prop and of course PG and CPU skills. Push into a Caracal and heavy missiles. Train Caldari Cruiser to 5 and get into a Cerberus and Tengu.

If you want Caldari ships, nothing beats the Tengu for PVE versatility.
You can pretty much go anywhere from there.



While this may be true, I don't particularly agree with it.
Everyone pushing for the Rattle and Gila are missing a pretty obvious fact: They require drone skills.

When I was looking for Caldari PvE ships, I focused primarily on two things: Shield Tank and Missile Emphasis. While the Rattle and Gila fit into this, their emphasis is more on drones with missiles as a backup.

Kestrel is fine. Jackdaw can get the job done but I find it lackluster for PvE. Caracal, of course. Cerberus is a bit of an odd one because it rips through missions quick but I'd probably still bring a Drake. The Raven Navy Issue is the end goal for pure Caldari. Eventually moving up to a Marauder if you start doing PvE fleet ops.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#8 - 2016-04-06 15:55:08 UTC
I pretty much agree with that ^

I'd recommend Drake, then T1 Raven, then the Navy Raven, for a younger PvE pilot.
These will give you some earning power while you train up the skillset along your way.
Drake and Raven can also be insured against loss. (Not sure I would insure the Drake though)

When you are super confident, and have done quite a few level IV missions, step up to the Navy Raven.
By then you can decide if you want to train into some other ship or even some other race. Meanwhile, you have an ISK maker to keep you going.
Golum is a good mission ship. So is the Dominix, Rattlesnake, Macharial, as others have mentioned. BUT, I recommend focusing on one race till it's pretty strong before you branch off. One good strong ship is better than multiple half skilled ships, in my opinion.

Missile SUPPORT skills are very important.
The ship skill for the hull is very important.
You will need T2 light drones at some point. Those support skills are also important.
Mikael Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-04-06 20:12:17 UTC
Great! Thanks for all the awesome advice. I will look into the Navy Raven and Rattlesnake as those both sound right up my alley. A few of you mentioned the Tengu and Im curious if that ship is as good as the Navy Raven or Rattlesnake for missions? I know there is alot more than missions out there for PvE, Im just trying to get a solid foundation before branching off into specialist ships or what not.

@ Serendipity Lost, Ive sent you a mail in game as requested.
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#10 - 2016-04-06 23:12:46 UTC
PvE is so much more than just mission running.

Tengu will do them all. Exploration, wormholes, lowsec, nullsec, scanning (combat, data/relic/sleeper).

Try all those with any other Caldari ship.
I dare youBlink
Amanda Chan
Bridge not Jump
Brothers of Tangra
#11 - 2016-04-07 05:25:28 UTC
I suggest 2 paths for level 4 missions:
Cheaper:
Gnosis -> Raven -> Navy Raven -> Rattlesnake/Golem

Gnosis - All bonuses are hull bonuses so you just sit in it and reap the rewards. Use this time to train heavy missiles to level 3 and get your Missile support skills to 4, drone and light drone to 5s. Not suggested to do level 4 missions in this hull.

Raven - Train Micro Jump Drive Operations and use this time to get Cruise missile to 5 and Cruise missile specialization to 4 while you get used to using a Large Micro Jump Drive to snipe rats with minmal tank. Your looking for ~300 e/hps for atleast 3 minutes to the rat types you'll be tanking. You will also want to start training ewar skills, specifically target painting skills.

Navy Raven - Hop on in when your comfortable with sniping and hopefully you can use T2 Cruise missiles as well as decent target painting skills. You can also start investing more into your shield tanking skills so you have the option of just cruising through splurging missiles while afterburning to your objective.

Rattlesnake - Starting dumping time into training up your skills. Once you get Gallente Battleship 4 and can use sentry drones decently hop on in.

Golem - Once you have a nice hefty supply of monies in the bank you can look at this brick beast. The damage with the Golem and the Navy Raven are comparable but the Golem applies better it due to it's target painter bonus even though it has 1 less rig slot.

Expensive:

Gila - You can actually do level 4 missions decently in this boat once your drones are decently trained up. I'd focus heavily on all your drone skills. Only leave this hull when you can use Sentry drones for...

Rattlesnake - If you can't use tech 2 cruise missiles, prioritize that. Otherwise, finish skilling up your other support skills and tanking to atleast 4.

Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#12 - 2016-04-07 14:06:17 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
PvE is so much more than just mission running.

Tengu will do them all. Exploration, wormholes, lowsec, nullsec, scanning (combat, data/relic/sleeper).

Try all those with any other Caldari ship.
I dare youBlink



He nailed it. The tengu is a powerful ship for the newbro. It's very versatile but doesn't really excel at pve anymore. Mostly it's damage it low compared to the other ships mentioned here. A t1 Raven will always out damage a tengu if both are reasonable fit for the purpose.

Going for level 4 missions - the tengu isn't a great option. If you want to keep your options open, then it is something to consider. Keep in mind it's a relatively easy train to get into a tengu, but to do the multiple roles stuff - there are a lot of support skills to train. Good ship for a new guy, but the train to tengu greatness (in all it's many uses) is probably just as long as training into a golem.
Mikael Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-04-07 20:12:49 UTC
Alrighty, thanks for all the advice! I will likely start with the Battleship route, maybe stop with the Raven? I dunno, then likely train for a Tengu. Thanks again for all the help. Im also open to fitting advice as I dont really know how to fit past a Caracal right now, lol.
Kamahl Daikun
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-04-07 20:45:41 UTC
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
PvE is so much more than just mission running.

Tengu will do them all. Exploration, wormholes, lowsec, nullsec, scanning (combat, data/relic/sleeper).

Try all those with any other Caldari ship.
I dare youBlink


Try all those with the same subsystem fit. I dare you.

The flexibility of the Tengu is the flexibility of T3C's in general - the subsystems. Swapping them out is generally repurposing your ship. The only difference between this and simply swapping to another ship is being able to carry subsystems with you. That's really it.
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
#15 - 2016-04-07 23:16:33 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Kaldi Tsukaya wrote:
PvE is so much more than just mission running.

Tengu will do them all. Exploration, wormholes, lowsec, nullsec, scanning (combat, data/relic/sleeper).

Try all those with any other Caldari ship.
I dare youBlink


Try all those with the same subsystem fit. I dare you.

The flexibility of the Tengu is the flexibility of T3C's in general - the subsystems. Swapping them out is generally repurposing your ship. The only difference between this and simply swapping to another ship is being able to carry subsystems with you. That's really it.


Bingo

Mikael Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2016-04-08 00:46:35 UTC
So, after some thought, Im really interested in the Rattlesnake for now. Any good fits I can start training towards?
erg cz
ErgoDron
#17 - 2016-04-08 08:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
[Rattlesnake, L4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

Garde II x2 <- mission specific, check eve-survival.org before choose proper drones
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x2
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#18 - 2016-04-08 14:55:02 UTC
erg cz wrote:
[Rattlesnake, L4]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

Garde II x2 <- mission specific, check eve-survival.org before choose proper drones
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x2



1 - You're new and just working up L3 missions so Pith C-type anything is over priced.
2 - Caldari Navy BCU aren't worth the cost.
3 - all the T2 can be meta modules until you get the skills
4 - Sentry drones are a long train and only come into their own once you have maxed out all the core drones skills

This is a fit for someone w/ 60+ mil skill points and a fat wallet. Here's a fitting lesson for the new guy. Asking for a fit on the forums will give you a good basic idea of how to fit the ship, but historically forum fits assume you have billions of isk and elite skills. The Max/Min crowd also tend to post fits more often than 'regular guys' that don't need the bestest fit for the job.


The above fit has t2 rapid heavy missile launchers, 1 faction (expensive) and then t2 damage mods. Replace all that stuff with the best meta modules and here's what happens

1. Cost goes way down
2. Training time goes way down
3. Fitting requirements go way down (T2 anything is generally cheaper and better than non T2, but the trade of is that they are power grid and cpu hogs - so to fit them all your fitting skills must be at max - which takes a long time)
4. Giving all that up reduces your damage which increases your time to complete the mission.

Add in the training time to get multiple T2 sentries useable and you'll be training for months to actually get into that fit.

It's not a horrible fit, but it's not something you should recommend to a guy just getting into a caracal.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2016-04-08 15:18:50 UTC
My recommendation:

Get a caracal. Train your base shield skills to level 3 (maybe 1 or 2 of them to 4). Get you missile support skills to 3 and heavy missiles to 4. Get your various fitting skills to 3. Learn through experience how a shield booster works. Play around w/ high resistance fits, try a shield boost amplifier and see what that does. Get a feel for what shield boosting does to your capacitor. This is a week or so.

Get into a drake. Get some more experience doing the shield missile thing. Train all your support skills for shields and missiles to 4 or maybe 5. Get your drone support skills to all 4 and the one that lets you use more drones to 5. This will take 2 or so additional weeks.

Get into a raven. This is the last ship you will ever need for pve. You'll be able to run all level 4 missions mostly with ease. Once in the raven get missile support and shield skills to 5. Get cruise missiles and if you like the feel of the raven - take cruise missiles to 5. A few more weeks.

That's all relatively quick to train through. Sadly, you also have the option to buy skill injectors. Just remember you can't buy the experience and understanding of what modules will and won't due under the pressure of enemy fire. You're at the first big crossroads in the game. Checking the 'proficient at raven' box makes L4 missions and the associated isk easily available. The question is - What do you want to do next?

1. Rattlesnake and perfecting the art of running L4 missions (it's pretty boring and I hope you don't take this path)
2. Cross train to other races - this opens up a lot of additional piloting options
3. Enjoy the raven 'as is' and train into other caldari ships (rook, basilisk, nighthawk and so on)
4. Go after mastering the pirate ships that need caldari as half of their prerequisites. (worm, gilla and so on)

My personal hope is that somewhere along the way you get lost in the world that is eve pvp. The goal of L4 missions gets replaced by adrenaline shakes and heart racing losses. A L4 mission can never give you the feeling you have when you come out of warp w/ a few friends and are landing on grid with hostile players knowing full well there will be winners and there will be losers and how that falls out for you and the guys totally depends on how well you play your part.

Just some stuff to think about Blink
Frank Pannon
Discoverings
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2016-04-13 12:10:03 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
My recommendation:

Get a caracal. Train your base shield skills to level 3 (maybe 1 or 2 of them to 4). Get you missile support skills to 3 and heavy missiles to 4. Get your various fitting skills to 3. Learn through experience how a shield booster works. Play around w/ high resistance fits, try a shield boost amplifier and see what that does. Get a feel for what shield boosting does to your capacitor. This is a week or so.

Get into a drake. Get some more experience doing the shield missile thing. Train all your support skills for shields and missiles to 4 or maybe 5. Get your drone support skills to all 4 and the one that lets you use more drones to 5. This will take 2 or so additional weeks.

Get into a raven. This is the last ship you will ever need for pve. You'll be able to run all level 4 missions mostly with ease. Once in the raven get missile support and shield skills to 5. Get cruise missiles and if you like the feel of the raven - take cruise missiles to 5. A few more weeks.

That's all relatively quick to train through. Sadly, you also have the option to buy skill injectors. Just remember you can't buy the experience and understanding of what modules will and won't due under the pressure of enemy fire. You're at the first big crossroads in the game. Checking the 'proficient at raven' box makes L4 missions and the associated isk easily available. The question is - What do you want to do next?

1. Rattlesnake and perfecting the art of running L4 missions (it's pretty boring and I hope you don't take this path)
2. Cross train to other races - this opens up a lot of additional piloting options
3. Enjoy the raven 'as is' and train into other caldari ships (rook, basilisk, nighthawk and so on)
4. Go after mastering the pirate ships that need caldari as half of their prerequisites. (worm, gilla and so on)

My personal hope is that somewhere along the way you get lost in the world that is eve pvp. The goal of L4 missions gets replaced by adrenaline shakes and heart racing losses. A L4 mission can never give you the feeling you have when you come out of warp w/ a few friends and are landing on grid with hostile players knowing full well there will be winners and there will be losers and how that falls out for you and the guys totally depends on how well you play your part.

Just some stuff to think about Blink


Great solid advice!
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