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Bounty System is broken

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Kia Lafemme2
Defenders of Tash-Murkon Foundation
#1 - 2015-11-23 18:45:53 UTC
Think something is totally wrong with the bounty system,
Bad guys can place a bounty on the god guys who usually i flying expensive ships,
making them targets for gankers.
God guys can put a bounty on gankers, but it really doesn't matter,
because they usually loose the ship to concorde anyway, and usually a quite cheap ship.

Further more the bounty can be and is often used to harass other people with,
some people think it is fun to put people on other people with no reason at all,
except to annoy them.

Me my self now have in the last year or more,
every since the language chats got removed been harassed with bounties,
the reason is that i did make a new danish chat, and did try to build it up.

I did make one rule on the chat that, it was to treat other people nice,
some players did not like that, and did harass all new people on the chat with bounties,
and it ended up me giving up, running the chat, therefore no Danish chat with many players now.

But that was not enough, the players did continue to put bounties on my char every time i got shot,
but now i have had enough, when you do things like that to other players you don't even see or talk too,
and you keep doing it in more than a year it's not game related, then it i personal harassment,
and it is beginning to break me down.

It can't be right a game mechanic can be used that way, so please do something about it,
because it is totally broken, it was not god before, long time ago when it got changed,
but it was not broken, now it is broken, and maybe EVE would be better totally without it.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#2 - 2015-11-23 18:56:58 UTC
I am by no means a PvP player in the narrow sense of the term (ship vs ship combat in space), but when another player put a 10 million bounty on my head because I beat him to a Relic site, I paid him in kind.
Every time a new notification comes in to let me know a part of the bounty on his head had been paid out, I smile.

Is the bounty system perfect? Not at all. Does it work to a certain extend? Yes, yes it does.
Don't let it bother you, it's just numbers on a computer screen...Blink

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2015-11-23 19:04:17 UTC
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
I am by no means a PvP player in the narrow sense of the term (ship vs ship combat in space), but when another player put a 10 million bounty on my head because I beat him to a Relic site, I paid him in kind.
Every time a new notification comes in to let me know a part of the bounty on his head had been paid out, I smile.

Is the bounty system perfect? Not at all. Does it work to a certain extend? Yes, yes it does.
Don't let it bother you, it's just numbers on a computer screen...Blink



The trouble with that is that CCP has, to a greater or less extent over the years, pushed the possible EVE professions through advertising, and one of those appeared to be that of bounty hunter. Absolutely, you're right that it's completely meaningless at the end of the day, but they really shouldn't be advertising a system that is completely borked...

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#4 - 2015-11-23 19:25:03 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
... but they really shouldn't be advertising a system that is completely borked...
I agree.
If CCP ever finds a way to implement a system that works as advertised and at the same time can not be gamed/cheated with/etcetera, they should implement it straight away. Until that time we are indeed stuck with a system that is good for a laugh now and again, but as a whole is rather irrelevant.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Varyah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-11-23 19:44:41 UTC
Bounty harassment! It's real!

Seriously, I learned in my my first weeks in EVE that the bounty system is not worth the trouble. Yes, it's broken but I would assume this is due to a 'fix' to prevent exploitation and lack of ideas to actually fix it.

And I can't imagine someone ganking you merely because of the bounty (payout isn't the whole bounty, it's about 20% value of the destroyed items). They will gank you because you have a shiny ship or you seem to be an easy target/miner.


My advice: Just ignore it.
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2015-11-23 19:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Shallanna Yassavi
Rule #1: never ever show weakness to one of these guys. It's like blood to sharks, and they'll just make your life even more miserable.
If you think it's harassment, open a ticket. There are limits to how we can make pests of ourselves. You can't bump a freighter endlessly without a kill or ransom, and you can't chase a miner all over space just to bump it.

In EVE, there is no mechanic to say good or evil, and that's kind of the point.

... or we just got trolled. Or it's a goon alt putting bounties on you, cause you seem to like messing with them in gank sectors.

A signature :o

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#7 - 2015-11-23 19:57:30 UTC
Is something broken if it was never functional?

Is a pile of parts a broken thing, if that thing was never assembled?
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2015-11-23 20:38:04 UTC
its a step in the right direction, but i personally think it should be scrapped for a more workable system. One that makes bounty hunting a viable professtion.

I used to think they should make a new market, where you sell kill rights, you set a price '10m' the bounty hunter would gather lal the kill rights for that guy, hunt him down and collect the bounty on all of rights. thus someone who is more of a 'bad guy' has more of a chance at dying.

but its a hell of alot better then it used to be

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2015-11-23 20:44:34 UTC
we know, and for the most part I don't think anyone really cares. If they upped the payout percentage and I had a big bounty I could just get in an insured bs and kill myself with an alt to make isk. It used to be you got the full bounty on pod kill, and I made a bit of isk that way. For empire pilots it can be hard to get a legitimate pod kill.

the only way I really see it working is to have a trusted 3rd party hold the isk and payout on kill. Although that is generally more of a pita than it is worth.

this way a bounty is almost a kill bonus you get sometimes. I doubt many people are looking at bounties before they get in a fight.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-11-23 20:45:59 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
i personally think it should be scrapped for a more workable system. One that makes bounty hunting a viable professtion.


if you can design that system go for it, I'm sure CCP would be interested in hearing about it. AFAIK it doesn't exist.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Kia Lafemme2
Defenders of Tash-Murkon Foundation
#11 - 2015-11-23 20:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kia Lafemme2
Well i have ignored the continuous incoming bounties on my head for quite long time,
but when it just continuous and continuous well then i begin to fell it like something personal,
and not a game thing, especially when it is someone who i never run into or talk to in the game,
but after what i can figure out apparently know me from IRL.
then it is hard to ignore it,
and if a game mechanic can be used to kind of harass other players with,
without any way to defend you self, well then it is totally broken.

The players who keep putting the bounty on med knows i live in high sec,
far far away from where they are in 0.0 so i can not even use the game mechanic against them,
bounty on 0.0 players is kind of wasted, mostely bounty is anyway.

I live i high sec, using my frighter as a hauler when i mine,
so yes the continuous incoming bounties make my hauler a nice ganker target,
and if shot on my new ship, and so on and so on.


If the bounty system is only good for bullying,
then it should be totally removed,
my PvP char kills a lot of gankers,
and sometimes it get a little bounty,
but far from enough to make the system worth keeping.
Paladin Genghis Khanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-11-23 21:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Paladin Genghis Khanid
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
Every time a new notification comes in to let me know a part of the bounty on his head had been paid out, I smile.


Why? You flushed your ISK down the drain. The person you put the bounty on would have been attacked no matter what if they were in a position to be attacked.

There is no room for debate on this issue. It does not work. It is meaningless. Nobody is attacked due to a bounty. If the person had max positive sec status and 0 ISK bounty and another had -10 sec status with a 1,000,000,000ISK bounty they'd both have about the same chance of being attacked in lowsec and below. Your bounty made no difference whatsoever. The only thing that makes a difference is if they are flashy or not as some people care about their sec status.

Bounties should require killrights (or a special kind of corporate killright requiring CCP approval). And it should require the bounty hunter actually have to go to a bounty board and apply for the job. The issuers has to approve who can take the job so not just anyone and run along and claim it. Since it is based on killrights the bounty can be collected in highsec. When they get the mark they get the total amount. Perhaps people with bounties should suffer some skill point lose when destroyed by person acting on a bounty contract. Don't want people farming their own bounties.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#13 - 2015-11-24 02:35:41 UTC
Paladin Genghis Khanid wrote:
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
Every time a new notification comes in to let me know a part of the bounty on his head had been paid out, I smile.
Why?
Because every single time that happens it reminds me of that Russian guy that initially started foaming at the mouth in Cyrillic text in chat and upon landing in the Relic site immediately put a bounty on my head. It reminds me of a funny episode in my EvE life. Smile
Paladin Genghis Khanid wrote:
You flushed your ISK down the drain. The person you put the bounty on would have been attacked no matter what if they were in a position to be attacked.
No, i did not. Even in retrospect it was worth every single Isk. And yes, he would have been attacked regardless, so it only results in a nice bonus for his killer.
But I ask you, is me smiling about his blown up ship and the character doing the blowing up getting some Isk as bonus a bad thing? I personally think not.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#14 - 2015-11-24 02:53:15 UTC
Kia Lafemme2 wrote:
I live i high sec, using my frighter as a hauler when i mine,
so yes the continuous incoming bounties make my hauler a nice ganker target,
and if shot on my new ship, and so on and so on.

I imagine people would gank you just for the lulz for seeing a freighter in a belt. The bounty is only going to compensate a portion of their costs for ganking a freighter. I wouldn't really worry about it.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-11-24 05:28:23 UTC
The bounty system is broken the same way a rock is broken.
It just sits there.
Doing nothing.
"Broken."

Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#16 - 2015-11-24 06:28:27 UTC
Personally, I think the bounty system is fundamentally unfixable.

Any bounty system where it becomes profitable to shoot someone, irregardless of what he is flying or hauling, means it becomes profitable for that person to shoot himself (with an alt, a friend, etc...)

You can safely ignore bounties completely, I just see them as a way of keeping score.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#17 - 2015-11-24 08:11:51 UTC
I actually like the bounty system. Not sure why carebears are mad about it. They pretty much asked for it the way it is now.
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2015-11-24 11:11:18 UTC
I always thought positive sec status prevented bounty placing?

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#19 - 2015-11-24 14:33:15 UTC
Kia Lafemme2 wrote:
Well i have ignored the continuous incoming bounties on my head for quite long time,
but when it just continuous and continuous well then i begin to fell it like something personal,
and not a game thing, especially when it is someone who i never run into or talk to in the game,
but after what i can figure out apparently know me from IRL.
then it is hard to ignore it,
and if a game mechanic can be used to kind of harass other players with,
without any way to defend you self, well then it is totally broken.

The players who keep putting the bounty on med knows i live in high sec,
far far away from where they are in 0.0 so i can not even use the game mechanic against them,
bounty on 0.0 players is kind of wasted, mostely bounty is anyway.

I live i high sec, using my frighter as a hauler when i mine,
so yes the continuous incoming bounties make my hauler a nice ganker target,
and if shot on my new ship, and so on and so on.


If the bounty system is only good for bullying,
then it should be totally removed,
my PvP char kills a lot of gankers,
and sometimes it get a little bounty,
but far from enough to make the system worth keeping.


Honestly I don't quite get what you are complaining about. The bounty system is completely broken in the sense that no-one kills folk because they have a bounty. Thus having a bounty on you is meaningless. Now if you are saying that you are a role player and some how having a bounty is undeserved in your rp perspective - well then keep in mind that your actions are likely disrupting/supporting an enemy faction of an unfriendly empire and/or corp and/or alliance. Even though it may seem that your actions are de minimums, they are serious to your competitors. Thus your bounty is whole deserved.

BTW your freighter is a gank target in hs because it is a freighter - not because you have a bounty. People will kill your freighter because they can, which is the core of eve. No extra incentive is required.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#20 - 2015-11-24 14:50:13 UTC
No one ever goes out and kills or chases anyone for a bounty. They are quite meaningless.

If you can come up with something that works, that *can't* also be gamed. Great. But no has managed to do so.

AKA the scientist.

Death and Glory!

Well fun is also good.

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