Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As title suggests, which means you can still covert cyno.

With perfect, 100% reliable and instant intel, the recent nerfing of null-null wormholes, mobile depots to instantly refit, and the proliferation of ratting capitals, null is comparatively risk free compared to the rewards. Rating capitals are simply not vulnerable enough given the difficulties of projecting your own capitals into null, and given the ability to cyno in a response fleet.

You'd think after a while, other pirate factions would learn this trick from the Sansha.

Mobile Cyno inhibitors are in the game...

-1 because it seems like you have no idea what you want.

The title says that you want to make nul and low sec anoms even safer by making them cyno free areas, and yet you launch into a soap box speech about how nul sec is to safe and it is to hard to create content.

Leave one to wonder what the problem really is.

Explanation is in the original post, but not fully expanded as an idea. Once Phoebe hit, yeah, while it is good you could no longer teleport an army across the map, at the same time it made local capital dominance excessively difficult to challenge, with this especially true the further out in null you get. Wherever you can make money or harvest resources, there should be a credible threat to that, or at least the opportunity for such a threat if players chose to behave as one.

With the Phoebe changes, there isn't really a credible threat, at least not a consistent or reliable one, to local capital dominance, and by extension capital ratting. Risk and reward should be balanced as much as possible. I don't think it is unreasonable, especially given the wormhole changes, to assert that null has become way too safe from any realistic threat to ratting capitals. While yes, people could link loss after loss, or ways they have creatively overcome a defense, these are somewhat exceptions rather than rules.

One of the driving ideas behind AegisSov was that you need to live in your space to keep it, which by extension means you need to defend your space to do such things as ratting and mining. Most of the threats that can get to people consistently are in no way adequate to deal with to deal with the local capital dominance that Phoebe's fatigue and range system created.

Everyone laughs and points (or cheers, or cries!) when freighters die in HS. They let themselves get bumped, they did not use local, they did not use a scout, they did not have a webbing alt, they fell for it, it was their fault. I couldn't agree more with this train of logic. In null, you can break any or all of the 'stay safe' rules and not be punished whist lazily doing anoms simply due to the power of local capital dominance. Null is supposed to be more dangerous than Hisec, yet even if you get caught entirely by surprise, one button press saves you a good deal of the time. There's no threat of a counter-counter escalation as there was before Phoebe basically.

It's not entirely about a buff to a playstyle; It is about dealing with some of the fallout of the Phoebe jump changes which have contributed to an excessively safe null.

He is saying that if the anoms are cynojammed the ratting carrier can't light a cyno to have his buddies jump in and save him, but he is still left vulnerable to a Blops/Bomber covert-cyno drop.

Whatever he's trying to say, its a lame arguement, for a (in my opinion) lame playstyle. Hot drop ratters that are trying to pass the time and make some isk? I'm sure he'll go off on how it takes so much skill and is so risky to drop blops and kill rat-fit carriers and Battleships. Thats (in my opinion) lame.

If this was real life (I know its not, but go with me on this) that would be like a dude with a rocket launcher hidden in his jacket walking up to a dude at an ATM and blowing him up...for the fun of it...

I think (so its my opinion) that a ratter in an anomaly in sov null sec SHOULD be the safest place in all of eve. If someone wants to disrupt that, they should have to contest sov and not "find content" blaping ratters and miners.

Fun stuff, back to work

You can't be serious?

It actually would let smaller groups do something about ratting capitals. As it stands, every carrier within a 5 ly radius of one you tackle can instantly respond; this is much faster than if they had to warp from within system, probably about 25s, or take gates to try and arrive in time. Cyno inhibitors, as stated, are worthless in this context due to anchor time.

The biggest thing defending ratting carriers is the fact that most of them carry a loaded cyno - if you cannot out damage 10-30 other carriers' reps, there's no point in even trying to kill it. I have no issue with players building intel networks and staying safe by them, or working together to build something to minimize risk, but the openings left by a combination of null mechanics plus player efforts are just too small to keep null interesting. You get to defend sov (by proxy PvE) and earn ISK, all while not under any realistic threat.



Yes and no - PvE is inherently tied to the sov system now. Regardless of how you personally feel about a particular playstyle, it is important that ratting is something that can be interrupted by players. You call it lame, but that's the current game mechanics. We are living in an age when there are strategic ratting fleets. Keeping ratting going is of strategic importance.



By the sheer amount of players Karmafleet has recruited, most of them with promises of easy ISK and SRP programs, I'd say it's already sort of worth it. That many players can't be wrong.

You do know how sov works now, right?

Blapping miners and ratters is DIRECTLY contesting sov by bringing indexes down (should you do it enough).


And for anyone not understanding the described proposal: Go tackle a carrier in Dek. I dare ya.

It's a good job carriers are being overhauled in the not-so-near future, isn't it? Not only can they no longer fulfill both damage and repping roles at the same time, but it's unlikely they'll remain as effective at anomalies either.

Let's wait and see what effect the capital rebalance has, as your whole point may very well be redundant.

Yes, the ones too damned stupid to fit a cyno

The ones that do, mostly recently and hilarious baited the bombers bar boys into smartbomb death

The last 5 chimera who died in Dek all had cyno fit...