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Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#1 - 2015-09-18 13:42:43 UTC
Pirates.

I am not talking about the NPCs but players, is it a good career choice to be a pirate (after some FW)? I am a Minmatar and, because of me, I only use my own Faction's ships. My current plan is raiding mining ships or lightly armed ones in 0.4 to 0.0 systems with a Rifter or another close-combat Frigate or a Thrasher. After I get the hang of it I will move on to T2 Frigates and team up with others (if I can). After a while, when I have enough people to support me, I will get a Stabber and/or Bellicose. Is this a good idea and career line to down?

What's the payroll for Pirates usually, early on? Should it be enough to get me another T1 Frigate and its weapons at least? Would I be able to create a Pirate Gang later on? Would it be possible to only be outlawed in Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente space but not Minmatar, as I don't plan on raiding any Minmatar?

Thank you if you answer.

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2015-09-18 13:46:58 UTC
You'll quickly **** off CONCORD to the extent that you'll be unwelcome in all highsec. This is manageable - the corporation The Conference Elite (a highsec gank corp run by friends of mine) operate as outlaws in highsec, as do New Order Logistics and the Ministry of Love.

Your plan is solid but for one issue - you won't find much prey in lowsec mining. There'll be some, just not much.

Most lowsec pirates target travel chokepoints such as the systems Rancer, Crilerie or Egghelende, or prey on Faction Warfare players, or prey on nullsec players exporting loot to highsec.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#3 - 2015-09-18 13:58:23 UTC
The payroll? It depends, with or without dental? Big smile
You'll need to find a corp most likely, early on. Miners may not be packing much heat, but they do have drones, and if doing their mining thing in low or null as you mentioned, they prolly have friends ready to drop ontop of you before you even dent a miners shield.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#4 - 2015-09-18 14:02:03 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
You'll quickly **** off CONCORD to the extent that you'll be unwelcome in all highsec. This is manageable - the corporation The Conference Elite (a highsec gank corp run by friends of mine) operate as outlaws in highsec, as do New Order Logistics and the Ministry of Love.

Your plan is solid but for one issue - you won't find much prey in lowsec mining. There'll be some, just not much.

Most lowsec pirates target travel chokepoints such as the systems Rancer, Crilerie or Egghelende, or prey on Faction Warfare players, or prey on nullsec players exporting loot to highsec.



Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them).

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Revenant Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
Belligerent Undesirables
#5 - 2015-09-18 14:05:38 UTC
Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.

That works...
Amber Patoria
Division 13
#6 - 2015-09-18 14:07:15 UTC
Necro Huren wrote:
Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them).

You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy.

Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!

Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.

Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?

loĸι

Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#7 - 2015-09-18 14:07:27 UTC
Revenant Kane wrote:
Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.

That works...


I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan.

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#8 - 2015-09-18 14:08:29 UTC
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them).

You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy.

Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!



Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship.

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#9 - 2015-09-18 14:10:14 UTC
There is always wormhole space if you're not set on being chased through the empires by police. Look up Wingspan TT on youtube as an example, for possible longterm goals anyway.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Revenant Kane
Somali Coast Guard Authority
Belligerent Undesirables
#10 - 2015-09-18 14:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Revenant Kane
Necro Huren wrote:
Revenant Kane wrote:
Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.

That works...


I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan.


Well then...

It seems you do not want to be helped. In the past low sec pirates made a lot of isk. With CCP nerving the crap out of highsec and adding more isk to highsec as well more and more people stayed in highsec.

This means you now make more isks from ransoms to stop wars (or paid for wars) than you do in low. The economics for pirates changed. In low sec you now only have killers that rat with the once in a while ransom if they choose to.

If isk is not an issue... than low sec with the occational ratting to fund you is the name of the game.
Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#11 - 2015-09-18 14:15:07 UTC
Revenant Kane wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Revenant Kane wrote:
Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.

That works...


I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan.


Well then...

It seems you do not want to be helped. In the past low sec pirates made a lot of isk. With CCP nerving the crap out of highsec and adding more isk to highsec as well more and more people stayed in highsec.

This means you now make more isks from ransoms to stop wars (or paid for wars) than you do in low. The economics for pirates changed. In low sec you now only have killers that rat with the once in a while ransom if they choose to.

If isk is not an issue... than low sec with the occational ratting to fund you is the name of the game.


It's not that, it is just that I would rather butcher everyone and steal everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A19q7rysLs

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Amber Patoria
Division 13
#12 - 2015-09-18 14:18:35 UTC
Necro Huren wrote:
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them).

You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy.

Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!



Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship.

They usually are.

Scanning frigates, often stabbed and nano'd to all heck. Can be a fun challenge to catch.

Sometimes Asteros. Occasionally something bigger like a Stratios, etc (We killed a Gnosis running relics the other day).

Some people use bombers with dual-scrams, smart-bombing T3 cruisers, or stuff like Asteros to kill them.

I just use my Loki. *shrug*

There's also a lot of site runners to kill in wormhole space too. Good to skill for a cloaky T3 cruiser if you're going hunting those kinds of people, though you don't need much to go hunting explorers. Why hack cans for loot? Let others hack them for you, then murder them. Big smile

Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.

Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?

loĸι

Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#13 - 2015-09-18 14:21:10 UTC
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them).

You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy.

Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!



Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship.

They usually are.

Scanning frigates, often stabbed and nano'd to all heck. Can be a fun challenge to catch.

Sometimes Asteros. Occasionally something bigger like a Stratios, etc (We killed a Gnosis running relics the other day).

Some people use bombers with dual-scrams, smart-bombing T3 cruisers, or stuff like Asteros to kill them.

I just use my Loki. *shrug*

There's also a lot of site runners to kill in wormhole space too. Good to skill for a cloaky T3 cruiser if you're going hunting those kinds of people, though you don't need much to go hunting explorers. Why hack cans for loot? Let others hack them for you, then murder them. Big smile


Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station?

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Amber Patoria
Division 13
#14 - 2015-09-18 14:23:26 UTC
Necro Huren wrote:
Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station?

Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro.

Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.

Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.

Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?

loĸι

Necro Huren
Dreadmen
#15 - 2015-09-18 14:31:46 UTC
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station?

Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro.

Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.


...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...

"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren

Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Hell's Kitchen.
#16 - 2015-09-18 14:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
piracy isnt really a career anymore, more of a lifestyle where you can fly around shouting yarr at everyone.

most pirates have alts which do other things which are much more profitable

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Amber Patoria
Division 13
#17 - 2015-09-18 14:43:29 UTC
Necro Huren wrote:
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station?

Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro.

Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.


...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...

Speed only means so much, transversal means everything if you're trying to avoid getting popped.

Doesn't matter if you're doing 3000m/s, if you're flying straight at them then RIP in pasta.

Rookie ship's about the size of a standard frig, hitting one with a cruiser is quite normal.

As for balance, well they're flying a 500-1b ISK ship that took months of skilling to fly and is very specialized in doing what it does very well. You're a newer character in a free/cheap, disposable ship that's paper-thin on the undock. That's never going to end well.

Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.

Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?

loĸι

Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2015-09-18 15:05:21 UTC
Consider a career hunting explorers in low sec. There are tonnes more than miners.
Learn to do it yourself in a covops frig.
Then switch to an astero and hunt the covops as they run the sites.
Can land some very nice paydays.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Memphis Baas
#19 - 2015-09-18 15:08:12 UTC
As it's been said, the game is balanced more towards a few frigates being able to get away from (or approach) a battleship, and not die in a single shot from the battleship-sized weaponry. Cruisers are closer in size to frigates, so their weapon systems can hit frigates pretty well; actually some cruisers are designed to be anti-frigate platforms.

For avoiding guns, what matters is your transversal / orbit / angular / sideways speed; the idea is that the big guns can't turn fast enough to aim at you. You can enable an "angular velocity" column in the overview and use it to gauge your chances of success; you can look at the stats for medium guns on the market and see how fast they can track in radians/second, to just get an idea.

500 m/s may be sufficient if you're at 1-5 km from the cruiser, but does almost nothing at 20-40 km. An afterburner module can get a frigate to 900-1,000 m/s, and a microwarpdrive module can get 2.5+ km/s for a very short time. You also have to train yourself to approach all big targets sideways (in a spiral pattern) rather than fly straight at them.

And you have to get a feel for the typical range of ships. Frigates can typically hit to about 25-30 km, cruisers can easily cover 40-80 km, and battleships can snipe all the way to 150-200 km, especially when using Tech 2 guns, sniping ammo that enhances range, and various targeting and range modules in the mid and low slots.

So those are the ranges where you're in danger. As a frigate, you want to get to a short range orbit as soon as possible, so that your transversal velocity helps out, but you can't get TOO close because there are several anti-frigate modules such as stasis webifiers, smartbombs, and energy neutralizers that operate in the short range, and veteran PVP'ers will have these installed so they're protected from frigates.

On the flip side, your puny frigate can lock down even a large battleship and keep it there until the cavalry arrives, and there are hundreds of heroic tales of huge kills that were possible only because a new player in a frigate managed to hold the juicy target pinned until all his friends could get there to kill it in a spectacular way.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-09-18 15:10:04 UTC
Necro Huren wrote:
Amber Patoria wrote:
Necro Huren wrote:
Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station?

Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro.

Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.


...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...

Speed is not everything ... probably the Cruiser was in line with your movement. Also a rookie ship has no tank, so whatever low percentage of damage was applied to your ship, just kills you. Balanced does not mean, that it's easy to mitigate incoming damage from bigger ships. Blink

Roaming around killing other players can keep your business rolling from loot/salvage if you are skilled, but you won't get rich from that unless you are lucky. But it's fun. Twisted. From what I heard the best money you can make from PvP is wardeccing highsec corps for ransom and POS loot.

I'm my own NPC alt.

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