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The Moment you realize you're the bad guy

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DHB WildCat
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-14 18:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
The moment came during the final weekend. For me and several of the Warlords pilots we knew something was wrong. This is the true story from a non leadership pilot of Warlords final weekend.


First some clearance. All things that I hated because they are underhanded but are / were absolutely legal.

-shared wormhole / pos / and joined new testing sisi corporation with camels.
- shared logistics and spies.
- shared set-ups
- shared AT uniques for matches between the teams during tournament. Or more specifically Camel used our AT ships for the most part.
- shared prizes. yep once Warlords and Camels took 1 and 2 we joined the prize pool of 80 ships and distributed prizes amongst both teams equally.





August 29th, Camel vs Warlords.

Match 1 - Legit fight. Except for some very wierd target calling. Was nothing like what had practiced. We should have won that fight. Also side note / this was the only match I didnt fly in because for the final weekend Kadesh SOS'd Garmon to come fly in case Haart couldnt be here. Instead he took my spot. Meh 4 months of practicing and working hard to be replaced by someone that had absolutely 0 input or help to the team prior to the final weekend...... I was a bit bitter. Garmon however manned up and realized that I was probably a better fit to fly the Battleships. Lets be honest Haart (Sgt Anti) missed 4 out of the 5 bump attempts he made and only side scraped a vulture once after it was already 30km away.

Match 2 - This is were the **** gets interesting. You'll notice that we lost this fight but that the 2nd fight of the finals was almost identical with a totally different outcome. After this loss I was irate! I was yelling on coms and questioning Leadership thinking something was off. Then I get a skype convo by Kadesh.




*Snip* Chat logs removed *Snip* ~ISD Buldath




At this point I didnt know what to do. I was the bad guy. On a team breaking rules. I was and am torn. I wanted to quit. The only thing that kept me there were the guys that werent in leadership for both teams that were legitimately working their asses off to win. I couldnt quit on them. I hated kadesh so much at this point. I didnt really get along with him anyways before.



So we went on from there. Beating Tuskers. and then beating PL.


So now the finals. I dont know what to even think of it myself.

Match 1 - Nothing to me seemed off here. Our set-up was designed to destroy the logi fast, which it did. Then just won on outlasting the opponent.
DHB WildCat
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-09-14 18:12:52 UTC
Match 2 - almost mirror match of what we lost to the first time we faced camels. I was nervous. Ran backwards 20 km to line up a bump. Then raged in and bumped vulture out of range. We killed it and then won after that. However it was nice using our regular set-ups and not having logi perma jammed.

Match 3 - Sacrifice the chremoa. So I dont know what to think. After the kadesh convo I was questioning everything. We removed most if not all RSB's and replaced them with REECM. We then proceeded to get wrecked by damps.............

Match 4 - Finally got tired of the bullshit and told kadesh to shut up and took over calling. We played passive for a while. Kadesh neuting the primary claymore. I beeged and pleaded to the point of my voice going out for kadesh to stop being an idiot and go neut the logi. He wouldnt initially saying we had to neut the claymore. I finally told him I would take over the neuting and tackle, just go neut the GOD DAMN LOGI SO WE CAN KILL SOMETHING! So I sacrificed myself by tackling the claymore in my phoon and neuting it. now with the logi neuted the bombers started dieing. The claymore died. I deid but not before rage cruise put the second claymore into hull. Haart kiting at 60km was able to finish the claymore and then SNI's with bomber help as the t3 wing killed bombers, until soldat went down in our own logi and then I made the call for the t3d to take down their logi. Which is why the last bomber didnt die right away.

All in all I dont know what to think. I just know Im pissed. And I waited this long so the guys that did this legitly could be rewarded for their efforts. Warlords and Camel leadership fixed 1 match I know of. As for the finals I dont know what to think. I honestly dont.

All I am certain of is that.............




1) There are still some good guys on the camel and warlord team that had no idea of what was going on and just worked their asses off!
2) PL / Exodus ...... Im sorry you guys were up against overwhelming odds and did fantastically.
3) I have still not won an AT legitly and cannot call myself an AT champion.
4) This probably means I will never fly an AT again since I am leaving hydra and noone will probably take me in. lol
5) CCP I am sorry.




I am sorry to the camel and warlord guys that played this legit. You all rock.
RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#3 - 2015-09-14 19:44:22 UTC
Prizes were shared last year too. I don't know why you're surprized WildCat.

I'd have thought, old hand as you are that you'd have seen this coming. I'm not bitter about losing to a group fielding two teams at all.

The only part of EVE i've enjoyed for the last 4-5 years is the meta side of the game. Once you get passed a certain level, it becomes about the intel, the spies and the cards you don't play as much as the cards you do. The AT is no different, as much as CCP would like it to be.

I sympathize with you, i really do - but i'm slightly shocked that you didn't see this coming.

-R
Generic Marketting Character
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-09-14 19:44:40 UTC
Paging Dr Fruity
Alt ofanalt Spai
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-09-14 20:00:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Alt ofanalt Spai
RoCkEt X wrote:
Prizes were shared last year too. I don't know why you're surprized WildCat.

I'd have thought, old hand as you are that you'd have seen this coming. I'm not bitter about losing to a group fielding two teams at all.

The only part of EVE i've enjoyed for the last 4-5 years is the meta side of the game. Once you get passed a certain level, it becomes about the intel, the spies and the cards you don't play as much as the cards you do. The AT is no different, as much as CCP would like it to be.

I sympathize with you, i really do - but i'm slightly shocked that you didn't see this coming.

-R




I think his post was about the fixing of matches (which is obviously against the rules) and the lying of the leadership to the teams. Seems that his honor is what made him post this...... maybe im wrong, i mean who has honor anymore
Hoodie Mafia
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#6 - 2015-09-14 20:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoodie Mafia
From an outside perspective its just a guessing game to what is going on. I would have guessed it but getting the confirmation still hurts a bit

Big step to come forward and talk about it though, I wonder if we will see a response from your team
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-09-14 20:52:10 UTC
Big props to you guys for doing the smart thing and cooperating to win. I would expect no less from Eve Online.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

John Selth
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2015-09-14 20:54:02 UTC
Oh boy....
michael chasseur
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#9 - 2015-09-14 20:58:18 UTC
the only surprise here is that someone admitted it
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2015-09-14 20:59:04 UTC
The best part was everyone throwing it in CCP's face in twitch chat the entire time, them studiously ignoring it, and now this.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Dancul1001
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2015-09-14 20:59:57 UTC
michael chasseur wrote:
the only surprise here is that someone admitted it



props to DHB assuming its a not a giant troll
Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2015-09-14 21:00:26 UTC
So, I want my 1st, 2nd and 3rd place medals please.
JEFFRAIDER
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#13 - 2015-09-14 21:01:51 UTC
Super surprising!
Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2015-09-14 21:04:02 UTC
Hi!

Winner ATXI , 3rd place ATXII, winner ATXIII, 2nd ATXIV - follow me on twitter: @ForlornW

ISD Buldath
#15 - 2015-09-14 21:05:08 UTC
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35. Posting of chat logs outside the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

The posting of chat logs between player parties is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel where they can be posted as part of stories in the Pirate Story Thread.

Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.


I have removed the offending material.

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4chan SlashPOL
Volatile Restability
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#16 - 2015-09-14 21:06:23 UTC
I respect you for saying it.
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-09-14 21:07:09 UTC
No worries everyone. We screenscapped it before edits. I will tweet the picture from @EVEAryth.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Edward Harris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-09-14 21:10:43 UTC
Just contract me one AT ship of your choice and all is forgiven.
JEFFRAIDER
SniggWaffe
WAFFLES.
#19 - 2015-09-14 21:10:54 UTC
Doomchinchilla
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#20 - 2015-09-14 21:10:58 UTC
ISD Buldath wrote:
Quote:
35. Posting of chat logs outside the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.

The posting of chat logs between player parties is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel where they can be posted as part of stories in the Pirate Story Thread.

Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.


I have removed the offending material.

So if you removed the chat logs from Skype are you confirming that they're legit? Because if they're fake and a troll, there is nothing wrong with having them here.

So are you taking an official stance from CCP that the skpye logs were legit?
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