Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think it would be incredibly interesting if the Jump Fatigue Recovery Agent actually worked.

There is a finite amount of it in game so it's not something that can really be abused. As the supply of Recovery Agent goes down, the price of the Recovery Agent will increase dramatically making its use have severe financial repercussions.

Looking deeper at this commodity, it the jump fatigue system continues to remain in game, maybe it would be possible to introduce this as an actual commodity that could be manufactured and sold (for a very very very high isk price) similar to how boosters are now. Adding to the price and rarity of the finished commodity, the gas clouds needed to start the process could be incredibly rare and very difficult to scan down.

Each unit of Recovery Agent consumed would produce a 'booster' effect for one hour and would only reduce existing fatigue by 2.5% per level of Jump Drive Calibration (up to a max of 12.5% per dose). Another dose of the Recovery Agent could not be consumed while the effect is active. The effect persists through death. The Recovery Agent will not reduce or remove the Jump Drive Activation timer. This means a player could realistically find themselves in a situation where they have a longer activation timer than they do a fatigue timer.

This will not undo all the hard work by CCP to nerf force projection, especially if it is only the existing special edition stock that gets made in to a usable product. Even if its an item introduced to game, the rarity of the source materials and the cost of the finished product should only make this a viable solution for pilots in extreme cases of fatigue.

Please feel free to discuss

I wouldnt say that it puts them on hold at all. Say you have 30 days of fatigue (the max). Thats 720 hours of fatigue.....one dose of recovery agent at the max of 12.5% would only shave 90 hours off, leaving you with 630 hours (26 days, 6 hours) of fatigue. Now you must wait an hour before consuming another dose. You are left with 629 hours of fatigue and your next dose will take off 78.625 hours leaving you with 550.375 hours (22.9322916~, heck, lets call it 23 days) and another hour long effect before you can take another dose. Now you are down to 549.375 hours. Your next dose will remove 68.671875 hours, leaving you with 480.703125 hours (20.029296 days) and another hour cooldown before your next dose. And so on (I could do the math all the way down, but i dont think its necessary to demonstrate the point)

Please, explain to me how this puts the current system on hold
Since the reduction is based on a percent, it produces diminishing returns the lower your fatigue timer becomes.

care to elaborate on why you think its a bad idea?

It is working as intended!

*gets off soapbox*

This increased window in vulnerability just doesn't pay off at the moment. Just wait until your SOV observatories tell you about the system with that jump fatigued cap gang in it in realtime, adaptions due to such an increase in information on your home turf would surely shake things up.

I like the current state of they came - they went - now they're stuck whereever they are for a short (or long) time. Just finding someone *somehwere within a few ly* can be challenging already with a map updating in 30min intervals, atleast without deploying a ceptor search squad. Metagaming/Locators change that, but that's a different thing.

Im sorry but I dont see that effect listed anywhere in the proposed observatory capabilities. If this was something that was slated to happen, great, otherwise, you are just waving an imaginary carrot around yelling "look at how cool this thing will be (if it actually happens)". From what I've read, yea, MAYBE the observatory will tell you if there are players there, and then MAYBE it will tell you their ship types, and MAYBE (a BIG BIG MAYBE here) it will tell you if they have active fatigue/reactivation timers.

Do you see how you took something that doesnt even exist yet, added three more conditions (possible avenues of failure for the end goal) and said "look at how awesome this **** is going to be"?


Below is a quick view of some things under the current system:
Passari -> Aunenen -> Innia -> Ienakkamon -> Athounon -> Chardalane

Waiting no time longer than your jump reactivation timer
http://i.imgur.com/Mlx1okC.png
This route takes about 2 1/2 hours to travel and leaves you with 28+ days of fatigue. So to save 30 minutes, you ruin 28 days.

Waiting for fatigue to drop to at least 10 minutes
http://i.imgur.com/Yw4mLaj.png
This route takes about 3 hours to travel and leaves you with 1 hour of fatigue

The only thing the powder would do, as i proposed it, is allow the pilot who saved 30 minutes to spend tons of isk to get his fatigue timer back down to about 10 days.

On the one hand - trying to swim across the ocean is a bad idea and needs no explanation just a healthy - Uh NO. I would put your idea in this catagory.

On the other hand - Uh NO because jump fatigue is helping to do what it was designed to do. Your idea has 2 bad effects on the game. It allows quick profiteering of a currently worthless resource. (it may already be hoarded and stockpiled in hopes that this lottery ticket you're trying to play actually wins). The other - it's a handout to the ultra rich in game. I'm not for penalizing folks for being good at aquiring isk, but I am against giving them relatively free stuff.

Uh NO

Just no to anything that messes with jump fatigue. Look around eve. It's waking up from a several year slumber. Breath it in deeply, stretch, go do some meaningful pew.

These are exciting times.

Based on the feedback I have received so far, it seems like the possibility of this change is not supported by the community.

As such, I would appreciate if ISD could lock the thread and I will re-post it once all the fozzie sov changes have hit. The reason for this is that the only legitimate feedback received so far has been "there are lots of other changes in the works and changing jump fatigue before those are implemented would be considered premature"

I thank those who took the time to read this suggestion and provide constructive feedback on why they do not support this proposal.