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Why is most of the EVE player base behaving like poorly?

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Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#1 - 2015-06-17 14:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Returning to the game after 3 years of not playing all i have got from it so far is nothing but bad people in space.
My activities and experience the month i have been back is so far:

High-sec mining: Sins i only had about 20mil when i log on i decide to mine for some buffer isk. But thanks to CODE i get suicide ganked and lose more than i gain from mining. No warning, No Chat, Locked, Scramed and Blown to bits, Podded.

Fine sins the player base don't allow for solo mining anymore i just do some exploring, I Buy a magnet and fit it for exploring, All fine until i accidentally pressed "want to leave highsec" and enter a low sec system, Locked Scramed and blown to bits, podded.

I Try again with exploring, this time i use wormhole to get to null-sec, first gate jump: Interdicted and killed, podded.

In summary i have lost on average 2 ships per day to players, and on average being podded half of those times and that's only because they can't use interdiction bubbles. Every time the bubble is there People pod for no reason other than its "fun" to be an bad person.

My worst experience so far is when i finally got enough isk buffer to feel that i can buy an astero and covert op cloak. I get to a random null sec system and begin to look for systems with 0 people in it (couse thats the only way not to get killed) after managed to make 2 sites a small gang of 4-5 people start to what i experience as hunt me down. Begins with that only them being at a gate, i only survive the first gate camp thanks to my odd warp-in angle and warp-cloak, after they hunting me through 6 systems my luck finally runs out and i enter a system where a camp is already set up. Thanks to the ******* interdiction bubbles and how cloaking works i have 0 chance of getting away, one of the campers get a lucky align on the short while i am up on overview and decloaks me and 100mil down the drain thanks to random bad people.

During my month back in eve i have meet exactly 1 person in space t hats not been a complete bad person.

CCP really promotes people being assholes with their "Don't Fly alone"-program and how easy it is to "Engage on your own terms".

"Engage on your own terms" is a bull sentence, if that really were the case i should be able to warp away on my own terms, but thats impossible, a single interdiction bubble cancels out every warp stabs you put on the ship, don't matter if you have 1 or 100, you will not warp away, heck even if you put 3x warp stabs on a ship you will get scramed down sins a single faction module negates it, and it one don't work just stack two and its done, bad people will always get the upper hand sins its cheap to fit 1-2x scramblers vs 4xstabs (that don't work on bubble camps).

"don't go exploring then" "Don't go to low sec then" "don't go to null sec" "learn to d-scan"

EVE has alot of problem and majority of the playerbase is one of them, sites like zkillboards and eve-kill helps with adding fuel to the the fire.

Another bad experience i get is when running L3 Missions, and that's Assholes that hunt mission runners, Couse everyone knows that you have to have a pvp fit to do L3-missions in a battlecruiser, Scramed, dented the attacker shield before second ******* shows up and finishes the jobb. was lucky and managed to warp away before locked and podded.

Next time CCP makes a "this is eve" trailer, maybe they should show what the game is realy about: Gatecamps, podding, gang ups, warp scrambles, hauler bumpings, mission runner killing, and trick new players with the "help channel" and "eve univeristy" to believe that everyone you meet is not out to kill you.

I'm going to give this game another two weeks, if i continue to face nothing but bad people in this game by then i am contactin customer support for a refund of the subscription.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
#2 - 2015-06-17 14:19:05 UTC
thats what the game is about, learn to evade these players and prospour

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#3 - 2015-06-17 14:23:22 UTC
"People are trying to kill me in this pvp game, what has the world come to!". This being a competitive PVP centric game it's up to you to lower the risk of getting **** by others, and up to others to try and **** with you as much as they want. This hasn't magically changed from 3 years ago.

Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-06-17 14:46:12 UTC
I think you got it, everyone is out there to kill you ... this is EvE ... this is why I love EvE Big smile

I'm my own NPC alt.

Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#5 - 2015-06-17 14:47:47 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).


Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking.

Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.
Tybur Kan
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-06-17 14:49:01 UTC
Evading pvp to pve is what makes the pve interesting and competitive. I scan in lower and have to run away a lot but it makes the score sweeter. The people hunting you aren't assholes necessarily, they're just in the other end of the cat and mouse games we get into. Hunters get hunted too. Everyone needs is to reship. Understanding the ecosystem in terms other than pvp is for assholes will get you a lot further. Good luck.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
#7 - 2015-06-17 14:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Haghala Connor wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).


Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking.

Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.


easy stay cloaked and analyse which direction you want to go, align, hit mwd and then cloak right after it, job done, you dont know how hard it is to actually catch a properly flown cloaky

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#8 - 2015-06-17 14:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Haghala Connor wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).


Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking.

Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.


CODE can only gank you if they enter your system and you didn't notice (set standing to code, watch local), and if they entered your belt while you weren't aligned and clicked the warp button. Being active is a tad more than just "sitting at the keyboard" :)




1) When you jump into a system you have 60 seconds gatecloak, that gives you the time to figure out what to do

2) Ideally you want to cloak/MWD burn out of the bubble so you check the bubble and ship placement to see if there's a safe(ish) direction for you to burn to, avoiding contact and clearing the bubble.

3) DON'T use an obvious direction like the out gate or the sun, because they'll expect that

4) when you feel you found an escape rout you align there, cloak up, hit MWD and slightly alter course after 3 seconds, away from them (by that time you're removed from their overview so they can't plot your actual course based on your earlier vector) and hope for the best. If you have a covert cloak you can then warp, if not then get more distance before you uncloak and align to warp

5) if you don't see a safe exit then approach the gate, hit cloak and MWD, burn back and jump out, then either gtfo or try it again and hope that this time you'll jump into the system in a better position.


With a solid understanding of how this all works and a bit of practise you can clear most gates just fine.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-06-17 15:01:11 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).


Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking.

Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.


I call bullshit. If you're at your keyboard and have the tiniest bit of smarts, I should not be able to pod you after blowing up your barge. If you are not paying attention, though, *pop*.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#10 - 2015-06-17 15:04:20 UTC
If you don't like getting shot in the face, stop going to dangerous parts of space.

A lot has changed mechanically in eve in the last three years, you should probably think about contacting a newbie friendly Corp to help get you back into it.

You can do what you like here but so can we, including preventing you from doing what you want.
Engage on your own terms but do so despite the rest of us.
this is an open world PvP sandbox with very few rules
act accordingly
Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#11 - 2015-06-17 15:08:24 UTC
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:
Haghala Connor wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Each and every of those situations could have panned out differently if you had a well thought out plan based on knowledge and fact, and were active (not afk mining).


Only time i have ever done afk mining was during a L4 Mining mission, and i find it insulting that you assume i was afk mining when i explicit said it was CODE ganking.

Also please tell me exactly how i can get out of Interdiction bubble gate camps, i really would love to know, course that is currently number one reason for me to quit.


I call bullshit. If you're at your keyboard and have the tiniest bit of smarts, I should not be able to pod you after blowing up your barge. If you are not paying attention, though, *pop*.


Bullshit calling from a CODE player? Now thats funny, also sins the gank in question was my first encounter with code so those two didn't show up on local i big flashing red to me. and consider that they locked my pod down before i managed to get into warp (oh no, 3 days in and i completly forgot about spamming warpaway when ship gets killed).
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#12 - 2015-06-17 15:12:39 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
i completly forgot about spamming warpaway when ship gets killed).


So who's fault is that and why are you blaming the game and/or CODE for that. I'm most certainly not a fan of CODE (for reasons different from most) but it's really simple: they can only catch you with your pants down.
Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#13 - 2015-06-17 15:13:05 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
If you don't like getting shot in the face, stop going to dangerous parts of space.

A lot has changed mechanically in eve in the last three years, you should probably think about contacting a newbie friendly Corp to help get you back into it.

You can do what you like here but so can we, including preventing you from doing what you want.
Engage on your own terms but do so despite the rest of us.
this is an open world PvP sandbox with very few rules
act accordingly


Im sorry i willl not leave the rookie system again, i promisse.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
Snuffed Out
#14 - 2015-06-17 15:13:56 UTC
well in all fairness he is a returning player, not his fault code grief people to fill their own egos

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Mag's
Azn Empire
#15 - 2015-06-17 15:16:57 UTC
So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Haghala Connor
ShirimeNet
#16 - 2015-06-17 15:23:52 UTC
Mag's wrote:
So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are.


Well, thanks to the forums i have now learned that EVE is a sandbox where every shred of good behavior people might have in real life is striped away to only work in help chat or "newbie crops". If you see people in your overview or local chat and are not running a tech 2 pvp fitted battleship along with your 3-4 friends, you are gona have a bad time.

Thanks that lesson really helped.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#17 - 2015-06-17 15:26:38 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are.


Well, thanks to the forums i have now learned that EVE is a sandbox where every shred of good behavior people might have in real life is striped away to only work in help chat or "newbie crops". If you see people in your overview or local chat and are not running a tech 2 pvp fitted battleship along with your 3-4 friends, you are gona have a bad time.

Thanks that lesson really helped.


Perhaps it's just easier for you, and us, to realise that you're a sperging drama queen and leave it at that. Adapt and overcome, or don't.
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#18 - 2015-06-17 15:28:04 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
If you don't like getting shot in the face, stop going to dangerous parts of space.

A lot has changed mechanically in eve in the last three years, you should probably think about contacting a newbie friendly Corp to help get you back into it.

You can do what you like here but so can we, including preventing you from doing what you want.
Engage on your own terms but do so despite the rest of us.
this is an open world PvP sandbox with very few rules
act accordingly


Im sorry i willl not leave the rookie system again, i promisse.

I'll apologies for being patronising with you there, you are clearly frustrated.

I didn't mean to be condescending but my point is, there's plenty of altruistic players out there who would be more than willing to help you slide back into the meta, fyi you have been gone for longer than I have been playing, I would expect a degree of relearning be called for regardless of you skill or intellectual capacity.

Going bawls deep into null after such a long break and CODE. Are two things that could have gone a lot smoother had you touched base with the community beforehand,

regardless you're here now and we can help if you're willing to chill out.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#19 - 2015-06-17 15:28:42 UTC
Haghala Connor wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So you're calling others names, for playing the game? How cool you are.


Well, thanks to the forums i have now learned..........
I stopped reading there. I don't think you've learned a thing.

Good luck and fly safe.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Memphis Baas
#20 - 2015-06-17 15:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
You know what, it's a PVP game. If you play chess against someone, do you call him a jerk for taking your pawns? If you play world of tanks do you call others jerks for shooting your tank with their tanks?

Unfortunately, this is not a game where you can chill in space and mine or explore without others being able to shoot you. People can shoot your ship, therefore people WILL shoot your ship.

For the uninterrupted solo experience, try X3AP, Elite:Dangerous in solo mode, Freelancer, or other solo spaceship games.
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