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[Updated] [June] Module Tiericide - Armor Plates and Shield Extenders

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CCP Delegate Zero
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C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-05-20 20:46:24 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
As part of the ongoing module tiericide efforts we are making some consolidation and balance changes to armor plates and shield extenders.

In general the principles being followed are as for module tiericide as a whole:

Goals of Module Tiericide

  • Reduce unnecessary complexity
  • Provide meaningful options within the module set


Specifically the pattern of changes for both armor plates and shield extenders aims to:

  • Remove the clearly superfluous '50mm' and micro' size categories.
  • Consolidate 'Named' modules from meta levels 1-4 into two variants within meta level 1 - a 'compact' variant and a 'restrained' variant.
  • Maintain the general positioning and power level of Tech II variants in the families.
  • Place 'Storyline' variants in a place that is somewhere between the 'compact' and Tech II variants in terms of relevant stats.
  • Significantly enhance the appeal of 'Faction' variants with substantial relative easing of fitting and increases in bonuses, while maintaining relatively low penalties.
  • Establish diversity within the 'Faction' variants by adjusting stats in broadly in line with thematic notes as far as available tuning allows.


The case for removing the 50mm plates and micro extenders respectively was fairly clear. It also seemed reasonable to double up the HP bonus of small shield extenders to open up more use cases for them compared with medium extenders. The case of plate size groupings is more complicated due to the greater number of options that exist. There is an argument that 100mm plates remain something of an oddity but for this pass we have decided to eliminate the obviously subpar options represented by 50mm and micro modules and see how matters develop.


Change Sheets - Updated 22-05-15

Rather than blast a series of densely packed numbers at you in text form, the changes can be viewed in the following sheets:

Armor Plates Module Tiericide

Shield Extender Module Tiericide


Consequences of Consolidation Changes

Some merging of modules will take place as a result of these changes.

All existing 50mm plates will be changed into a special 'Storyline' 100mm plate designed to be very low fitting, low bonus, low penalty. The same will hold true of Micro shield extenders, as they will merge into a Small extender following a similar stat profile.

With regard to blueprints, we will update the 50mm blueprints to 100mm plate prints. As there are BPOs they will be updated to the equivalent 100mm variants.

There are no micro shield extender blueprints with the exception of the existing storyline module print and that will shift to its new 100mm incarnation.

In terms of 'Named' modules, the 'Reinforced Nanofiber Plates' range will merge into the 'Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates'. Likewise, the 'Reinforced Titanium Plates' will merge into the 'Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates'.

With shield extenders this process is mirrored by the merger of 'Subordinate Screen Stabilizers' into 'F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extenders', and the merger of 'Supplemental Barrier Emitters' into 'Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extenders'.

Aspects of naming have necessarily changed to reflect the changes, with the balance of flavor and information in naming conventions that has been settled on with previous sets of module tiericide changes.

As a reminder the meta module signifiers used for these changes are:

  • Compact: lower fitting requirements
  • Restrained: lower penalties on use


The sources of modules will remain the same in terms of loot drops, LP stores and so on.


Release Plan

These changes are planned for the June 2nd release and are currently available to play around with on the Singularity test server.

Please let us have your feedback or questions regarding these planned changes.

CCP Delegate Zero | Content Designer - Writer | @CCPDelegateZero

James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#2 - 2015-05-20 20:59:08 UTC
Generally like the changes to the shield extenders, I would like the HP/sig ratio looked at closely.

T2 LSE has 104 HP/sig
RF LSE has 137.5 HP/sig

T2 MSE has 157HP/sig
RF MSE has 240HP/sig

T2 SSE has 260HP/sig
RF SSE has 550HP/sig
Thukker has infinite!

Seeing as sig radius is a MASSIVE factor in how well many minmatar ships tank and how they are generally in a bad spot currently, giving a bit more work on that would be nice.

Also, Good job on giving us meta modules which make for interesting choices on these now, and making the faction flavorful enough to merit work getting the specific faction's mod without making any of them entirely OP (other than maybe thukker SSE)

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#3 - 2015-05-20 21:21:06 UTC
What is the point of having Meta levels at all, if you're just going to skip huge sections of them?

It goes from 0, to two kinds of 1, to 5. That makes less sense than what currently exists.

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#4 - 2015-05-20 21:35:28 UTC
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
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#5 - 2015-05-20 21:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
Thanks for releasing the official statement.

The changes seem good at first glance. I like what you have done with small extenders, they might be useful now. I still think the 100mm plate needs buffing more though to be used. Perhaps 400 added armour HPs as opposed to 300, and then I might consider using them more.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#6 - 2015-05-20 21:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
interesting changes, certainly like the options of restrained and compact, but as ever i remain unconvinced by the tiny reductions to fittings on the compact ones.
100mm plates, are they actually used much though? .. would like too see some stats on the usages of the different sizes and what ship sizes they are used on most.

also kind of curious as too adding a larger battleship sized plate, maybe a 2200mm and what the thoughts on this is?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#7 - 2015-05-20 22:00:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What is the point of having Meta levels at all, if you're just going to skip huge sections of them?

It goes from 0, to two kinds of 1, to 5. That makes less sense than what currently exists.


i guess once all mods are balanced ccp will just compact the meta levels and remove all empty spots or remove the notion of meta all together.

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Lochiel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-05-20 22:06:41 UTC
Request to change the naming pattern to Nmm [Restrained|Compact] [Flavor Name] Plates

So that when I search for "200mm Restrained" I get exactly the module I was looking for?
Circumstantial Evidence
#9 - 2015-05-20 22:11:48 UTC
Will BPC / BPO's for 50mm plates be converted to Storyline BPO, or regular 100mm BPO?
Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-05-20 22:21:06 UTC
Armor plates really seem to have gotten the shaft here...

Reduced max tank on all rolled tungsten plates as well as on 800mm/1600mm T2 plates. Small shield extender gives comparable tank to a 200mm plate with a third of the fitting requirements.

Can you just confirm that this was an intention of the changes and clarify the reasoning behind this?
Mizhir
Escalated.
Project Gungnir.
#11 - 2015-05-20 22:37:07 UTC
Is there any reasons why there is a large variety on the different faction plates while faction shield extenders provide the same HP boost?

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What is the point of having Meta levels at all, if you're just going to skip huge sections of them?

It goes from 0, to two kinds of 1, to 5. That makes less sense than what currently exists.


The new system is way better. The old meta stuff was just only meta 4 being used (and sometimes meta 3 if meta 4 is expensive) and then the rest of it was trash. Now there are different choices. LIke for MWD you can pick between better cap, easier fitting or lower sig bloom.

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probag Bear
Xiong Offices
#12 - 2015-05-20 22:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: probag Bear
Please reconsider the unsurpassable nerf to " 'Bailey' 1600mm Steel Plates ".

They are currently a sub-par, ~600mil, version of normal 1600mm Steel Plates. As killmail data shows, they are nearly completely unused; the number of ships lost using this particular module is on the order of magnitude of a dozen a year.

What killmail data does not show is the one single fit that fuels nearly 100% of the demand for 'Bailey' 1600mm Steel Plates: the dual-plated, dual-ENAM, dual-trimarked, full slave linked Rapier. The reason it does not show up on killboards is because it is not used by people who engage into fights they would lose; only smart people use this fit, so there are close to no losses.

The dual-plated, dual-ENAM, dual-trimarked, full slave Rapier is literally the only ship fitting that makes use of this module. With your proposed PWG change to the module, you are making impossible roughly all of the ships flown with this module fit. And given the extremely high price of the module, there will be no fit to step up to the plate and make this module worth using again.


tl;dr:
Looking at historical market and kill-mail data, by nerfing 'Bailey' 1600mm Steel Plates, you are making the one and only common fit that uses this module impossible, and thus eliminating ~98.5% of the total demand for the module.
Given its enormous price and mediocre new stats, there will be no fit on any ship at all that this module will be worth using on. It will go from one of the very few Storyline modules to have a dominant niche to another Storyline module that is never, ever, used.
Suitonia
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#13 - 2015-05-20 22:44:20 UTC
I have a question in regards to COSMOS/Storyline Faction Plates and Extenders, why are the fitting requirements for these being increased and in several instances being harder to fit than the 'compact' meta variants. I thought that Storyline/Cosmos was supposed to have the best fitting requirements?

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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-05-20 22:48:17 UTC
It's nice that faction plates finally become useful, but why the nerf to the commonly used T2 and meta 4 plates?
Do you feel that armor buffer tanking is too strong?
Arla Sarain
#15 - 2015-05-20 22:57:25 UTC
Small shield extenders get double HP over 100mm plates. 200mm plates have roughly same HP but 10PG or more and slows the ship down.

Ships that will be fitting these modules won't prefer either really, just that PG is more valuable on small ships.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#16 - 2015-05-20 23:01:53 UTC
on faction extenders.

caldari - should have the highest HP .. shield HP is a caldari specialty
Republic Fleet - lower sig pen makes more sense then thukker having it
Thukker - give it the lowest fittings

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#17 - 2015-05-20 23:06:37 UTC
Ive always wondered how sufficient armor to cover a Battleship with 1.6 meters of steel all fits into a 50 cu m package. The armor thicknesses seem to be just so huge!

Possible change to make it all make more sense: Drop a zero. 10mm, 20mm, 40mm, 80mm and 160mm plates.

Also: Do you have any idea of the usefulness of the other meta levels? It seems odd to just have them abandoned.

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Gunpoint Mercantile Associates
#18 - 2015-05-20 23:07:03 UTC
Lochiel wrote:
Request to change the naming pattern to Nmm [Restrained|Compact] [Flavor Name] Plates

So that when I search for "200mm Restrained" I get exactly the module I was looking for?


I support this. Simple search methods are a benefit.
Omnathious Deninard
Ministry of Silly Walks.
Parasitic Legion.
#19 - 2015-05-20 23:12:34 UTC
So, what will happen to the 50mm reinforced steel plate BPOs and the micro shield extender BPOs?

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Iyacia Cyric'ai
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#20 - 2015-05-20 23:24:54 UTC
Looks like faction plates will be a thing again.
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