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Skill training time

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Edgar Clarkie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-05-14 23:09:57 UTC
I like this game a lot. But skill training time is taking way to long. My skill training Q is filled up, and wount be done till November.
Edgar Clarkie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-05-14 23:17:50 UTC
I need to know if EVE is going to shorten skill training. If not, then I will be closing both of my accounts. Why keep paying for a game I have to wait years to skill train.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2015-05-15 00:11:54 UTC
The thing is, EVE is the game where some noob can't just sub up and have the same skills as you in a couple months.
That's THE WHOLE IDEA of long training times.
Once you've played and paid for a couple years, you'll totally understand that.

Skills don't make the game fun, you do.
If you're having fun, stay subbed. If not, all the skill points in EVE can't fix that.

There is also a character bazaar, where you can 'buy your way up'.
That won't make you a better pilot though, and it isn't a buy to win method.
Only experience will make you better. Fights. Lots of them.

Now stop bitching, get out there and kill stuff!!
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2015-05-15 00:27:21 UTC
Edgar Clarkie wrote:
I need to know if EVE is going to shorten skill training. If not, then I will be closing both of my accounts. Why keep paying for a game I have to wait years to skill train.


It's not going to get any shorter. It's already shorter than when I started. About the only change that seems to be percolating is removal of attributes and/or training implants, but even that would only level out training time around some current mean or median.

And look, this does come up from time to time. Raven already made many of the usual points and I agree with all of them. I'd add that it takes less time than you think to get pretty decent in a ship or two. The major advantage you get from skilling for years is diversity in options. Mastery, taking a skill from 4 to 5, takes time but being pretty good, training a skill to 4, really doesn't. Do that enough, have some fun.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#5 - 2015-05-15 14:23:28 UTC
OP, what are you training for?
Edgar Clarkie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-05-15 18:09:18 UTC
Yea right, get out there and kill stuff. More like get killed a lot as a newbee. How do you take out a player with 299 Lv. 5 skills. Fact is you can't. So you telling me I need to pay money every month for two years to play this game. Know wounder I only see 14 to 27K players on line at a time. I also play Star Trek Online. Life time subscriber. Been playing for years. They just started a new Delta program to level up new players faster. As a LTS, I don't have a problem with that. Now I log on to EVE and look at my training Q. and see November as a finish date. Then I say what a waste of time. Log off and go spend my money on ZEN. and play STO.
Khanid Voltar
#7 - 2015-05-15 19:28:13 UTC
Edgar Clarkie wrote:
Yea right, get out there and kill stuff. More like get killed a lot as a newbee. How do you take out a player with 299 Lv. 5 skills. Fact is you can't.


The point is, not that he has 299 L5 skills but to reach that number level he would have 12-13 years experience playing the game. There were plenty of vets who used to take a 1 month old character to FW just for a change.

Even in STO I would imagine that LTS regularly beat newbs because they know how to play the game properly. You're completely factoring out experience and just seeing skill points as the only arbiter of fortune (which simply isn't true).
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
#8 - 2015-05-15 19:48:20 UTC
Get friends, gang up, kill stuff. Can be done with 1 day old chars.
Erik Sokarad
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-05-15 19:50:06 UTC
skill training time can be improved with implants and a remap to better match your skill plan. and this can have a very significant impact.

what can a new player do? learn. mining, exploration, missions, hauling, work the market, do whatever it is you think is fun. sure you need more skills to be GOOD at it, but the minimal skills to fit a ship to do stuff tend to be fairly low, and there is a lot to do.
lord xavier
Rubbed Out
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#10 - 2015-05-15 20:34:11 UTC
OP: On this character my training queue doesnt end until June 23rd, of next year.

Eve is not meant to be fast skilling into a max skilled everything. Training for a wide variety takes awhile. However no matter what you are training for, whether its mission, mining, exploration or PVP, the training is short to get started. Training to be able to basic fit a ship to do your needs only takes a couple hours. It is "mastering" the fit and ship that takes longer.

To speed up training, train Cybernetics to 1. Put in +3 implants (search in the market bar "- basic")

Another way to speed up your training you can remap into a specific thing you want. I would suggest getting the third party program EveMon to put together a training a plan, then opmitize the attributes to what would best work with what you want to train for the first three months. Get some skills to 3 and 4, dont go over a 2 day to train level 4 skill. In the first 6 months you should be able to fly up to a battlecruiser pretty proficent in -ONE- race if you are planning on missioning.

If you are planning on mining, do mining applicable skills. Barges, mining lasers, reprocssing (if you want).

If you want to PVP you should focus on some frigs, destroyers and cruisers. There are some awesome ships out there for PVP and you do not need to be super awesomely skilled to fly them pretty well. Just need some basic ship, gunnery, engineering, electronic systems and armor/shield (depending on what you plan on flying)skills. Those will get you setup in the right direction and you'll be out the door in your first ship to pewpew by the end of the day.
Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-05-17 07:02:02 UTC
My training queue ends 07/12/2017 and I am not done with it yet. If you want a game where you can 'level' real fast and get to the 'endgame', then this game is NOT for you.

Eve Online is all about patience and long term goals. But it is satisfying when you do reach your mark.
SFR SaFeRa
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-05-17 17:06:22 UTC
Edgar Clarkie wrote:
Yea right, get out there and kill stuff. More like get killed a lot as a newbee. How do you take out a player with 299 Lv. 5 skills. Fact is you can't. So you telling me I need to pay money every month for two years to play this game. Know wounder I only see 14 to 27K players on line at a time. I also play Star Trek Online. Life time subscriber. Been playing for years. They just started a new Delta program to level up new players faster. As a LTS, I don't have a problem with that. Now I log on to EVE and look at my training Q. and see November as a finish date. Then I say what a waste of time. Log off and go spend my money on ZEN. and play STO.

I moved to eve from STO, because STO is full of ****. As for training: I am 19 days old. I belong to a corporation. Yes, I die a lot. But as long as you fly stuff you can afford to lose,t hat is fine. As for getting out and killing ****; I have participated in a 750 man battle with my corp and in Spectre Fleet, which was incredibly exhilarating. So stop bitching and play the game. STO is for fu**ing noobs. I know, I used to play it.
C11H17NO3
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#13 - 2015-05-19 17:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: C11H17NO3
Sadly, ccp and the spiteful player base has made it quite clear that they do not want a dynamic skill point acquisition system.

I gave them a great head start on a mathematical system that would be significantly different than other games, would reward truly skilled kills and would be hard to abuse without spending stupid amounts of real money. And it would be on top of the insanely slow rate they have now.

But they just do not care, Well it took them 10 years to add in infinite Qing on the skill list, maybe we will get a system that will have players flooding in, in another 10 years. :D

Also, wheres my joystick support. :P
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2015-05-20 00:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Karak Bol wrote:
Get friends, gang up, kill stuff. Can be done with 1 day old chars.

I remember some Reddit post from a Brave Newbies Inc. player being a few days in, and being excited because he got to be on a super-cap killmail with his little ship.

"The Skillpoint System and You"

Play the game. Don't play the skill queue. It takes less than a day to start PvP-ing in a basic tackle frigate.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-05-21 06:34:37 UTC
Karak Bol wrote:
Get friends, gang up, kill stuff. Can be done with 1 day old chars.

Not with as few folks that are logging in these days.....
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#16 - 2015-05-21 06:45:36 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Karak Bol wrote:
Get friends, gang up, kill stuff. Can be done with 1 day old chars.

Not with as few folks that are logging in these days.....


I only have 16,000 people to choose from during the US/AZ changeover lull.... Roll
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#17 - 2015-05-21 10:26:48 UTC
Edgar Clarkie wrote:
Yea right, get out there and kill stuff. More like get killed a lot as a newbee. How do you take out a player with 299 Lv. 5 skills. Fact is you can't. ...


You're wrong. I just passed the 150 million SP 1 hour ago, have 153 skills at lvl5, but a 1.5 million Sp char could easily kill me in 1vs1 PVP combat.
SP grants you only more choice on ships and modules, never grants you win in fight without experience. And experience comes with learning, fighting, dying over time.
Velarra
#18 - 2015-05-22 00:17:24 UTC
C11H17NO3 wrote:
Also, wheres my joystick support. :P


xpadder (or similar app) + eve keyboard directional control.

Fly with joystick :)
Yeza
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-05-22 02:35:53 UTC
Why not have a L5 implant that last 30 days and gives you +9 just like the new subscriber implant? I am so old, I will probably die before I can train the skills to what I want to have. PROGRESS IS TOO SLOW, PERIOD.

Not everybody is 20 years old. I am already retired and can't wait that long, get it?
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#20 - 2015-05-22 04:53:52 UTC
Yeza wrote:
Why not have a L5 implant that last 30 days and gives you +9 just like the new subscriber implant? I am so old, I will probably die before I can train the skills to what I want to have. PROGRESS IS TOO SLOW, PERIOD.

Not everybody is 20 years old. I am already retired and can't wait that long, get it?


A new subscriber implant???
Are you telling me that new subscribers get to train faster than me??

SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE !!
THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR !!
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