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CCP - End Highsec Incursions

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2Sonas1Cup
#1 - 2015-04-27 08:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: 2Sonas1Cup
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.


---------- FAQ ---------

1-Ganking / Interfere with incursioners

Incursions are 5 years old, there is nothing new about them that someone hasn't thought of and tried in the past to successfully gank incursioners and come out in profit. NO, you won't. NO, there isn't a secret way. Or else there would be plenty of other people doing it already, just think about it, you're not Einstein.

Example most recent fail attempt, 40 machariels with smart bombs, not even 1 incursioners dead, gankers lost billions to concord.
Incursioners laughed at you on comms.

2-Make more isks in null / (Insert random wormhole class here)

NO, no you don't.
Let's just leave it like that.
Null and especially wormholes arent nearly as consistent as incursions.
And let's not talk about all the effort, resources and logistics needed, and not mention having to manage capitals in some cases.
Oh and the risk.. I don't even wanna go there.

3-Risk being bling ships

What risk? The fact that you are watching titanic and crying about it and forget to broadcast for shields on time?

Also ships aren't as blingy as they once were. People found the sweet spot and most efficient fits in terms of cost/performance nowadays, and to be honest most of them don't even bother with some of the more expensive modules.

4-Station trading

Been there, done that.
NO you don't make billions upon billions, don't let people fool you with stories.
You need a LOT of effort and work and .01 PvP + being lucky enough there aren't too many traders online to PvP against you.
And if the same quantity of people that run incursions would station trade then you wouldn't even make a penny.
Also it is WAY too much inconsistent ... And yet STILL you won't make more than incursions on your best day.
SilentAsTheGrave
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-04-27 08:47:37 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.

Your grammar is a bigger problem than Incursions. Blink
2Sonas1Cup
#3 - 2015-04-27 08:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: 2Sonas1Cup
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.

Your grammar is a bigger problem than Incursions. Blink


Yea but you understand what Im saying right?

It is really nonsensical how much highsec incursions pay. It kills eve.

CCP: "Youre not supposed to feel safe when you log in, youre supposed to feel a cold and harsh environment"

Well this is totally the opposite of what eve feels like right now if youre an incursioner.


Heres what I do as an incursioner in eve:

- log in
- waitlist and grab a beer
- join fleet make 250mil an hour with lp included (each account)
- run for 2 or 3 hours and log out

Wheres the harsh and cold environment in this?
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-04-27 08:58:09 UTC
If you don't like them don't run them, find something harder to do. Maybe go try to run them in null or low sec. Why should they change it because you don't like getting paid as much as you do in hisec when there are a bunch of others who like it just fine.
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#5 - 2015-04-27 09:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
considering they not long ago pretty much buffed them... but yeah they do pay too much for the risk involved

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-04-27 09:10:59 UTC
I haven't got around to running any yet. But Since they require a fleet to really get a good reward I would say that is more important. And justifies the reward. If you could go solo and get the same reward then it would definitely be over kill.
2Sonas1Cup
#7 - 2015-04-27 09:27:56 UTC  |  Edited by: 2Sonas1Cup
Lan Wang wrote:
considering they not long ago pretty much buffed them... but yeah they do pay too much for the risk involved


If they were a temporary thing, as they should (sanshas invasion), ok after we deal with them, its done/ dealt with.

But they stayed, and its been killing a major part of the game slowly but surely.
It was good when they started, but have them as a regular thing is just terrible.

CCP could have incursions as an event, every now and then sanshas try to invade highsec for like a month or so, then they stop for 3 or 4 months.

Or just lower their payouts to a balanced level as I said in the first post, instead of 250mil per hour, have them at around 100mil per hour.

And have VGs, assaults and HQs pay all the same. There is no need to have HQs paying more than VGs IMO (but thats a different story) could also boost scouts and give people an incentive to do them.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-04-27 09:40:38 UTC
Please, make others' enterprise less profitable, or at least make mine more so! It's only fair!
Though, I don't do anything remotely like these other people, and never go where they are, the
very thought that they're there making ISK just bugs me. So, CCP, take your million dollar machine
and turn it toward my inclinations and personal preferences. You know the Great Gaming God is on my side!

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Arla Sarain
#9 - 2015-04-27 09:44:49 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Please, make others' enterprise less profitable, or at least make mine more so! It's only fair!
Though, I don't do anything remotely like these other people, and never go where they are, the
very thought that they're there making ISK just bugs me. So, CCP, take your million dollar machine
and turn it toward my inclinations and personal preferences. You know the Great Gaming God is on my side!

Why do you sound so intimidated?

Is someone looking at your cash cow funny?
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#10 - 2015-04-27 09:47:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Arla Sarain wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Please, make others' enterprise less profitable, or at least make mine more so! It's only fair!
Though, I don't do anything remotely like these other people, and never go where they are, the
very thought that they're there making ISK just bugs me. So, CCP, take your million dollar machine
and turn it toward my inclinations and personal preferences. You know the Great Gaming God is on my side!

Why do you sound so intimidated?

Is someone looking at your cash cow funny?
You won't make much of a psychic. I do hope your education is along some other line, but that is a nice attempt at mind reading. I think "contempt" is the word you're searching for, not "intimidated." You'd have to explain what a "cash cow" is, since you seem so well-versed. For me, I have no idea.

In case you missed the point entirely: "Make EVE the way I want it."

Get in line.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#11 - 2015-04-27 09:49:55 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Please, make others' enterprise less profitable, or at least make mine more so! It's only fair!
Though, I don't do anything remotely like these other people, and never go where they are, the
very thought that they're there making ISK just bugs me. So, CCP, take your million dollar machine
and turn it toward my inclinations and personal preferences. You know the Great Gaming God is on my side!


no its the fact that they are making the most amount of isk while undocked in the game with practically 0 risk. on a system based on risk vs reward its totally not within that system

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

2Sonas1Cup
#12 - 2015-04-27 09:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: 2Sonas1Cup
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Please, make others' enterprise less profitable, or at least make mine more so! It's only fair!
Though, I don't do anything remotely like these other people, and never go where they are, the
very thought that they're there making ISK just bugs me. So, CCP, take your million dollar machine
and turn it toward my inclinations and personal preferences. You know the Great Gaming God is on my side!


I dont what?

I run incursions since 2011 when they came out mr.
With 2 or 3 accounts, lately only 2 or 1 depends.

I know every single thing about incursions and how bad they truly are. (in terms of how much they destroy the real eve)

Im only here to expose them because Im tired of this "eve" of today and miss the old one, the one without incursions.
Solecist Project
#13 - 2015-04-27 09:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Tuttomenui II wrote:
I haven't got around to running any yet. But Since they require a fleet to really get a good reward I would say that is more important. And justifies the reward. If you could go solo and get the same reward then it would definitely be over kill.

A fleet as requirement is nothing that balances something out.
Besides, there is no shortage of greedy people.

I don't care about the income,
but I care about the lack of risk.

At least my momentarily perceived lack of risk.

What kind of risk is there involved anyway?

It's definitely not hard enough, so that one doesn't count.
It's too predictable to be dangerous.

The highest risk seems to be that people CONCORD themselves,
which doesn't count either, because that has nothing to do with the NPCs.

ECMing logi? Nope.
Smartbombing them? Nope, server bugs it out.
Lowsec? Nope, people are cowards.


So ... what are incursions, besides easy money making?

What content do they provide for anyone but those who run them?

Does anyone remember that these are mostly run by carebears?
Does anyone remember how people whined when their mom got popped, (lol)
calling people griefers for ending an everlasting way t o squeeze money out of it?

Please... provide answers.
I'm curious.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-04-27 09:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
Ever hear the saying, "Mind your own business?" Or, in this world of the Duly Entitled, are you queen?

Oh. Incursions are content created by CCP. It is their game after all. I guess they can create content, too,
if they WANT to.

This thread looks like it's caught a lot of folks that don't have enough to do.

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Solecist Project
#15 - 2015-04-27 09:54:41 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Ever hear the saying, "Mind your own business?" Or, in this world of the Duly Entitled, are you queen?

Oh. Incursions are content created by CCP. It is their game after all. I guess they can create content, too,
if they WANT to.

This thread looks like it's caught a lot of folks that don't have enough to do.

Address what is being written, carebear.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#16 - 2015-04-27 09:56:08 UTC
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Ever hear the saying, "Mind your own business?" Or, in this world of the Duly Entitled, are you queen?

Oh. Incursions are content created by CCP. It is their game after all. I guess they can create content, too,
if they WANT to.

This thread looks like it's caught a lot of folks that don't have enough to do.


you sound very bitter whats the crack?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2015-04-27 10:04:56 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Ever hear the saying, "Mind your own business?" Or, in this world of the Duly Entitled, are you queen?

Oh. Incursions are content created by CCP. It is their game after all. I guess they can create content, too,
if they WANT to.

This thread looks like it's caught a lot of folks that don't have enough to do.


you sound very bitter whats the crack?


As was said, he doesn't want to lose the cash cow.
Solecist Project
#18 - 2015-04-27 10:08:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Ever hear the saying, "Mind your own business?" Or, in this world of the Duly Entitled, are you queen?

Oh. Incursions are content created by CCP. It is their game after all. I guess they can create content, too,
if they WANT to.

This thread looks like it's caught a lot of folks that don't have enough to do.


you sound very bitter whats the crack?


As was said, he doesn't want to lose the cash cow.

I wouldn't mind the income if there was any actual risk involved getting it.

Still waiting for a response to what risk there actually is.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Black Pedro
Mine.
#19 - 2015-04-27 10:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Otso Bakarti wrote:
Ever hear the saying, "Mind your own business?" Or, in this world of the Duly Entitled, are you queen?

Oh. Incursions are content created by CCP. It is their game after all. I guess they can create content, too,
if they WANT to.

This thread looks like it's caught a lot of folks that don't have enough to do.

No, there is a very real argument that a risk-free ISK fountain like Incursions is bad for the game. Only CCP has all the numbers, but if players are choosing to make their ISK in complete safety in highsec instead of in more dangerous spaces, you are asphyxiating PvP opportunities and conflict elsewhere in the game.

Again I don't have access to the numbers, but isn't it true that practically everyone you talk to has an "Incursion alt" for making ISK even if they consider themselves a wormholer or a nullsec player? If so, that is terrible for the game in the long run as there will be less and less targets outside of highsec and all that will be left is meaningless roams where players look for similar players for consensual fights to burn off their Incursion income. If players aren't actually fighting over resources, these inconsequential and random fights will get old quick and the game will stagnate. Sound familiar?

CCP is going to have to turn the ship around soon and part of that will be a major effort to draw players back into more dangerous places like null/low/WH space to fight over income sources, and perhaps this new Jove space in the future. Perhaps they can do it with new and engaging game mechanics and rewards, but I fully expect them to have to dial back Incursion income at least a little to motivate players to leave highsec again.

There is a place for PvE that is cooperative and PvP-free in Eve. It is just not as the most lucrative way to make ISK in the game.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#20 - 2015-04-27 10:13:13 UTC
2Sonas1Cup wrote:
Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities.

Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take.

Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month.

Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises.

Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks.

Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec?


Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go.


I don't run incursions, but I have no issues with other players enjoying them, if you want to apply some risk go and war dec some of their corps or gank them, or get into an Incursion with a logi and let them die, but for the love of god stop whining about them because you are incapable of interdicting them, HTFU or WOW is more suited for you!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

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