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[April] Ore, Mineral and Nullsec Mining Anomaly Revamp

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Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#521 - 2015-04-21 22:36:42 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
So we as nullsec entities run out of game recruitment programs to get thousands of brand new players into eve online. We get them directly into nullsec and try to direct them to easy activities that they can do within a few days. Mining is the worst income per hour activity in the game at this point for an individual.

CCP announces a new change that will fix certain rocks to be rare and more valuable (namely ark) that a new player could cherry pick for some meaningful income. Also, these changes will allow a new player in null to be able to mine their own minerals in null to produce meaningful amounts of t1 items without having to import raw minerals or export a gigantic surplus of high end minerals that they can't use.

Yet- there are people that don't understand the changes that are claiming that this is an unfair boost to nullsec.


All I'm sayin is that highsec hates new players


What a load of crap and bullshit... not surprising from a gewn. As always, trying to present their omgwtf-megabuff to their bot miner fleets as something for newbies... that's really low, as always.

First of all, newbies and production don't go in hand. It took me as a newbie one peek at the blueprint prices to forget about it as a newbie.
Secondly, newbies don't have anything to produce. If you have bps, you have major manufacturers use them to shelf out everything you have bps for. Newbies are better off just getting those.
Thirdly, don't talk about null local mineral and ore prices. Bots have driven them to the rock bottom. Trit never raised above 4 ISK/unit even in south for this year. High-ends - even lower. This is just a typical goon newbie farm you're advocating here, as usual.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#522 - 2015-04-21 22:50:15 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

What a load of crap and bullshit... not surprising from a gewn. As always, trying to present their omgwtf-megabuff to their bot miner fleets as something for newbies... that's really low, as always.

First of all, newbies and production don't go in hand. It took me as a newbie one peek at the blueprint prices to forget about it as a newbie.
Secondly, newbies don't have anything to produce. If you have bps, you have major manufacturers use them to shelf out everything you have bps for. Newbies are better off just getting those.
Thirdly, don't talk about null local mineral and ore prices. Bots have driven them to the rock bottom. Trit never raised above 4 ISK/unit even in south for this year. High-ends - even lower. This is just a typical goon newbie farm you're advocating here, as usual.

You actually haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about, do you?
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#523 - 2015-04-21 22:51:31 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

What a load of crap and bullshit... not surprising from a gewn. As always, trying to present their omgwtf-megabuff to their bot miner fleets as something for newbies... that's really low, as always.

First of all, newbies and production don't go in hand. It took me as a newbie one peek at the blueprint prices to forget about it as a newbie.
Secondly, newbies don't have anything to produce. If you have bps, you have major manufacturers use them to shelf out everything you have bps for. Newbies are better off just getting those.
Thirdly, don't talk about null local mineral and ore prices. Bots have driven them to the rock bottom. Trit never raised above 4 ISK/unit even in south for this year. High-ends - even lower. This is just a typical goon newbie farm you're advocating here, as usual.

If there are so many bots in the game, why aren't you reporting them?

I suppose it is easier to whine about them on eve-o without proof.

Also, pictures of the 4 isk trit market or it didn't happen.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
Goonswarm Federation
#524 - 2015-04-21 22:51:47 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
So we as nullsec entities run out of game recruitment programs to get thousands of brand new players into eve online. We get them directly into nullsec and try to direct them to easy activities that they can do within a few days. Mining is the worst income per hour activity in the game at this point for an individual.

CCP announces a new change that will fix certain rocks to be rare and more valuable (namely ark) that a new player could cherry pick for some meaningful income. Also, these changes will allow a new player in null to be able to mine their own minerals in null to produce meaningful amounts of t1 items without having to import raw minerals or export a gigantic surplus of high end minerals that they can't use.

Yet- there are people that don't understand the changes that are claiming that this is an unfair boost to nullsec.


All I'm sayin is that highsec hates new players


What a load of crap and bullshit... not surprising from a gewn. As always, trying to present their omgwtf-megabuff to their bot miner fleets as something for newbies... that's really low, as always.

First of all, newbies and production don't go in hand. It took me as a newbie one peek at the blueprint prices to forget about it as a newbie.
Secondly, newbies don't have anything to produce. If you have bps, you have major manufacturers use them to shelf out everything you have bps for. Newbies are better off just getting those.
Thirdly, don't talk about null local mineral and ore prices. Bots have driven them to the rock bottom. Trit never raised above 4 ISK/unit even in south for this year. High-ends - even lower. This is just a typical goon newbie farm you're advocating here, as usual.

If you know of someone botting you should report it other than sperging about it in this thread.

To be honest I love my newbee miners that sell me the ore and mins I need for my jobs. I also give the newbees copies if they ask. I wonder if you actually know anything about mining and how industrial's interact in nullsec at all. Since most of the junk that spews off your fingers is grr goons. So please stop shitting up this thread.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#525 - 2015-04-21 22:55:48 UTC
He's just a couple 'Cartels' short of a full Dinsdale
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#526 - 2015-04-21 23:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Omniblivion
See this image: Bots Banned Map

Then look at this from 2015 fanfest: Security Report

And then tell me where most of the bots are Cool

We've been stuffing all of our bots into KarmaFleet and disguising them as new players

Also we kicked some that couldn't get their bots to participate in fleets
Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#527 - 2015-04-21 23:12:17 UTC
Querns wrote:
If there are so many bots in the game, why aren't you reporting them?

Last time I tried, it was 2012, I reported my ass out and it did nothing.

Querns wrote:
I suppose it is easier to whine about them on eve-o without proof.

It were certainly bots, they never reacted to being locked by anything other than destroyer, so I ended up storing a Catalyst in the Orca, every time I took it out and locked them, dem Macks warped away and sat at station until I leave.
They are probably still not banned - that's why I gave up and only whine about it, because that's all I can do, since I'm not a ganktard. Needless to say, all the proof has been submitted via proper channels.

Querns wrote:
Also, pictures of the 4 isk trit market or it didn't happen.

https://eve-central.com/home/market.html
Select south regions, check tritanium.
Last time I checked it were about 2.75 ISK/unit.

I would've asked you to stop being full of ****, but you're a gewn, which means your **** is on SRP.
Well, it isn't like this thread is anything but a bunch of gewns defending their gains from this megabuff.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#528 - 2015-04-21 23:20:54 UTC
You mean those four orders?
Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#529 - 2015-04-21 23:21:45 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Querns wrote:
If there are so many bots in the game, why aren't you reporting them?

Last time I tried, it was 2012, I reported my ass out and it did nothing.

Querns wrote:
I suppose it is easier to whine about them on eve-o without proof.

It were certainly bots, they never reacted to being locked by anything other than destroyer, so I ended up storing a Catalyst in the Orca, every time I took it out and locked them, dem Macks warped away and sat at station until I leave.
They are probably still not banned - that's why I gave up and only whine about it, because that's all I can do, since I'm not a ganktard. Needless to say, all the proof has been submitted via proper channels.

Querns wrote:
Also, pictures of the 4 isk trit market or it didn't happen.

https://eve-central.com/home/market.html
Select south regions, check tritanium.
Last time I checked it were about 2.75 ISK/unit.

I would've asked you to stop being full of ****, but you're a gewn, which means your **** is on SRP.
Well, it isn't like this thread is anything but a bunch of gewns defending their gains from this megabuff.

So eve is full of bots, but you haven't checked since 2012? I believe your vignettes need recalibrating. This is TYOOL 2015. I suppose you think drakes are the ship of the line and technetium is king shit of moongoo mountain too.

Looking at the southern regions, all I see is trace amounts of trit bunged up in random stations at 4 isk per unit. Trit is too costly to move, so it makes sense that if you have some you can't use, you firesale it and pray for a buyer. Bots would be generating vastly larger sums of trit than this. Pretty weak.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#530 - 2015-04-21 23:27:25 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

What a load of crap and bullshit... not surprising from a gewn. As always, trying to present their omgwtf-megabuff to their bot miner fleets as something for newbies... that's really low, as always.

First of all, newbies and production don't go in hand. It took me as a newbie one peek at the blueprint prices to forget about it as a newbie.
Secondly, newbies don't have anything to produce. If you have bps, you have major manufacturers use them to shelf out everything you have bps for. Newbies are better off just getting those.
Thirdly, don't talk about null local mineral and ore prices. Bots have driven them to the rock bottom. Trit never raised above 4 ISK/unit even in south for this year. High-ends - even lower. This is just a typical goon newbie farm you're advocating here, as usual.

You actually haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about, do you?

this is the mining expert who said that the skiff was an unviable ship because it had no meaningful tank or yield, who also couldn't figure out you can orbit a can without jetcan mining

so what i'm saying is who knows, we could be dealing with a real mining genius here
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#531 - 2015-04-22 00:04:46 UTC
Querns wrote:
Looking at the southern regions, all I see is trace amounts of trit bunged up in random stations at 4 isk per unit. Trit is too costly to move, so it makes sense that if you have some you can't use, you firesale it and pray for a buyer. Bots would be generating vastly larger sums of trit than this. Pretty weak.

our official mining expert also conveniently excluded the one region in nullsec with some trit volume, deklein, where prices are never 4 p/u
Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#532 - 2015-04-22 01:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Basil Pupkin
EvilweaselSA wrote:
this is the mining expert who said that the skiff was an unviable ship because it had no meaningful tank or yield, who also couldn't figure out you can orbit a can without jetcan mining

so what i'm saying is who knows, we could be dealing with a real mining genius here


Oh, you are still clinging to moronity of mining in Skiffs?

I will repeat once again, considering your "special" density.
1) Skiff is good for trolling suicide wankers, because they're mad about it as heck. For anything else, it's highly impractical. It has a prohibitively high cost for its lack of yield and almost no meaningful improvement compared to an order of magnitude cheaper Procurer. The only grace it has in null is dying longer. The only grace it has in high is that it's marginally harder to bump. The only thing keeping the miner safe is the minimal field exposure, and this means full yield full attention is the only way. Skiff has to stay on field 20% longer than much cheaper Covetor, which is making it unviable.
2) Cans are cretin magnets. Even if all you have in then isn't worth a spit. Any of them special olympics team members get super excited every time he sees a can, it must have an irresistible icon enabling stupid mode for so many people. They are going to flip it even if there's a "flip me to confirm being room temperature IQ" sign on it. Then they get bored in 15 seconds and start bumping you out of spite. Using cans in hisec is therefore... unappealing, and in null you don't need to constantly orbit stuff anyway.

I understand I'm doing the futile thing, trying to punch sense into a gewn here, but hey, I tried.

EvilweaselSA wrote:
our official mining expert also conveniently excluded the one region in nullsec with some trit volume, deklein, where prices are never 4 p/u

I did not include regions where human mining is below 10% of volume.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Querns
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#533 - 2015-04-22 01:43:23 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

EvilweaselSA wrote:
our official mining expert also conveniently excluded the one region in nullsec with some trit volume, deklein, where prices are never 4 p/u

I did not include regions where human mining is below 10% of volume.

Except for the part where you claimed the south was inundated with mining bots. So, the south is okay to look at, but deklein isn't, despite your assertion that both have mining bots?

Also, you haven't logged in to observe mining bot activity since 2012. You are, quite possibly, the least qualified to talk about mining bot prevalence in this thread.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#534 - 2015-04-22 01:54:03 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

1) Skiff is good for trolling suicide wankers, because they're mad about it as heck. For anything else, it's highly impractical. It has a prohibitively high cost for its lack of yield and almost no meaningful improvement compared to an order of magnitude cheaper Procurer. The only grace it has in null is dying longer. The only grace it has in high is that it's marginally harder to bump. The only thing keeping the miner safe is the minimal field exposure, and this means full yield full attention is the only way. Skiff has to stay on field 20% longer than much cheaper Covetor, which is making it unviable.
2) Cans are cretin magnets. Even if all you have in then isn't worth a spit. Any of them special olympics team members get super excited every time he sees a can, it must have an irresistible icon enabling stupid mode for so many people. They are going to flip it even if there's a "flip me to confirm being room temperature IQ" sign on it. Then they get bored in 15 seconds and start bumping you out of spite. Using cans in hisec is therefore... unappealing, and in null you don't need to constantly orbit stuff anyway.

I understand I'm doing the futile thing, trying to punch sense into a gewn here, but hey, I tried.

EvilweaselSA wrote:
our official mining expert also conveniently excluded the one region in nullsec with some trit volume, deklein, where prices are never 4 p/u

I did not include regions where human mining is below 10% of volume.

ladies and gentlemen, our mining expert, who doesn't know how much of a benefit a skiff has over a procurer, who believes the only way to mine safely is to fit for max yield, who can't figure out how to use a can, and who has no idea that it's not 2012

oh, also, he believes that regions that have more bot miners would have more expensive trit than regions that had less bot miners in nullsec, for some reason that is beyond us mortals

promote this man to chief mining designer of ccp immediately, we can't let his brilliance go to waste one second longer
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#535 - 2015-04-22 02:43:59 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
...our mining expert, who doesn't know how much of a benefit a skiff has over a procurer, who believes the only way to mine safely is to fit for max yield, who can't figure out how to use a can, and...

Actually, while the Skiff might have some advantage over the Proc in null sec mining, it really does not in high sec. A Skiff, despite its tank, is still a worthwhile target for suicide ganking, due to its high cost. A Proc, no matter how you work the numbers, isn't worth ganking (unless someone is stuipd enough to fit it with officer mods) and so is relatively safer to fly.

Max yield is still the "recommended" mining strategy in high sec. No matter what anyone tells them, high sec miners still believe that max yield, even with the cost of occasionally ganked ships, is still more profitable than lower yield, with max tank. They seem to have reams of spreadsheets to prove their point. And, trying to convince them otherwise is like talking to a wall (I've tried). So, maybe "safety" really means "profitable" in miner lingo?

Jetcans? Don't think I've seen anyone really using jetcans in high sec since before 2012... lol. Those damn Retrievers and Macks have ridiculously big ore holds. I'm not sure there is any benefit to mining to a jetcan, then flying in a hauler to pick it up. For a short while, after the mining ship changes, I used to see Hulks use jetcans, with tractor-equipped Orcas to pick up, but Hulks are pretty easy to gank these days.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#536 - 2015-04-22 03:14:27 UTC
Sizeof Void wrote:

Jetcans? Don't think I've seen anyone really using jetcans in high sec since before 2012... lol. Those damn Retrievers and Macks have ridiculously big ore holds. I'm not sure there is any benefit to mining to a jetcan, then flying in a hauler to pick it up. For a short while, after the mining ship changes, I used to see Hulks use jetcans, with tractor-equipped Orcas to pick up, but Hulks are pretty easy to gank these days.

to orbit
Traedar
InterStellar Trading Syndicate
#537 - 2015-04-22 03:24:58 UTC
WTB info on what is currently in the Nullsec Mining Anomaly. Send mail in-game.
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
#538 - 2015-04-22 03:26:11 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Sizeof Void wrote:

Jetcans? Don't think I've seen anyone really using jetcans in high sec since before 2012... lol. Those damn Retrievers and Macks have ridiculously big ore holds. I'm not sure there is any benefit to mining to a jetcan, then flying in a hauler to pick it up. For a short while, after the mining ship changes, I used to see Hulks use jetcans, with tractor-equipped Orcas to pick up, but Hulks are pretty easy to gank these days.

to orbit

Amusing idea. But, what happens if someone flips the can? Does the mining ship just stop moving or does it sail off out of the belt?
GankYou
9B30FF Labs
#539 - 2015-04-22 03:28:36 UTC
Rowells wrote:
You mean those four orders?


What was the volume? I'm curious.

Must've been a whole 10,000 of Tritanium. Shocked
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#540 - 2015-04-22 03:36:33 UTC
GankYou wrote:
Rowells wrote:
You mean those four orders?


What was the volume? I'm curious.

Must've been a whole 10,000 of Tritanium. Shocked

410k amongst the four.