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CORP THEFT: 600 billion in assets stolen worth over $13,000 USD
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Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-03-02 15:40:37 UTC
Vanguard Frontiers lost over 600 billion ISK in assets not including around 20,000 BPC's and a handful of BPO's to a ex-director!

You can read the full story on EN24.
Elenahina
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-03-02 16:10:20 UTC
In other news, in game assets are not actually worth money. Monetary Values are for comparison only.

Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-03-02 17:16:57 UTC
lol love these lines

It seems the only way to keep the wealth accumulated through the hard work of generations of dedicated members secure is in a personal hangar which defeats the point of having a corporation.

Eve has no consequences, and while some people like this about Eve, some people do not.

lol at the AWOX whiners when CCP puts the friendly fire option in, but still cannot fix any damn reason to form a corp when guys steal what basically amounts to some else's effort (aka grind), why join a corp when there is no incentive to join/be in one since its just a piggy bank waiting to be broken open. Yeah, off topic slightly....CCP may of made EVE a sandbox, but forgot to put in a reason to be in a corp since its just ripe to be ripped off Roll.
Agent Known
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-03-02 19:15:20 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
lol love these lines

It seems the only way to keep the wealth accumulated through the hard work of generations of dedicated members secure is in a personal hangar which defeats the point of having a corporation.

Eve has no consequences, and while some people like this about Eve, some people do not.

lol at the AWOX whiners when CCP puts the friendly fire option in, but still cannot fix any damn reason to form a corp when guys steal what basically amounts to some else's effort (aka grind), why join a corp when there is no incentive to join/be in one since its just a piggy bank waiting to be broken open. Yeah, off topic slightly....CCP may of made EVE a sandbox, but forgot to put in a reason to be in a corp since its just ripe to be ripped off Roll.


The theft is the very reason why corp hangers shouldn't be free-for-all. The temptation to walk off with hundreds of billions with virtually no risk or consequence would be too great for most people unless you feel personally connected to the people who own said assets (friends OOG, etc).

As convulted roles are, they're there for a reason.
Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#5 - 2015-03-03 01:46:12 UTC
Unless you are doing wormhole escalations or incursions, you are better off making isk solo. Corps are mainly good for pvp.

Doing industry in a big corp in particular is dumb. You can do it all yourself without too much trouble. Hire one or two guys to haul if you are lazy.
Held der Finsternis
Highsec Corporate Services
#6 - 2015-03-03 03:50:59 UTC
Imagine that, EN24 "breaks" this literally days after Heroes of Highsec.

You can always find me on the forum section of Minerbumping.com :o)
Shodan Of Citadel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-03-03 05:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Shodan Of Citadel
truly pathetic that more than a decade into eve this can so easily happen and the thief get away scott-free with 600 billion.

throw him to the CSM to decide what should happen to him.
Should he be banned?
Should a % be recovered to vangaurd?
Should he be banned from using that isk to buy new characters?

What is fair and acceptable consequences? Article stated the value at $13,000 USD, which is grand theft.

Personally, I think recovering and unfucking the alliance he ripped off is a good start and banning him from buying new toons a must.

Some serious changes, maybe layers of security before x% of alliance wallet isk can be moved and never by a single person -if there's gonna be theft, it'll have to require more than 1 dickhead. Many more levels of hangars and storage with some requiring 2-3 people to unlock and move them -again, requires multiple dickheads, but not impossible as GHSC proved.

On a real note, CCP, when you get embezzled will you just be like "Well oh **** happens... $13,000 or $130,000 or 1.3 million stolen, LOLZ." or do what you deny your players and seek restitution/asset recovery?
Talos Antilles
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-03-03 05:55:45 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
Hire one or two guys to haul if you are lazy.


Yes, give us a ring. P
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2015-03-03 07:14:00 UTC
Shodan Of Citadel wrote:
truly pathetic that more than a decade into eve this can so easily happen and the thief get away scott-free with 600 billion.

throw him to the CSM to decide what should happen to him.
Should he be banned?
Should a % be recovered to vangaurd?
Should he be banned from using that isk to buy new characters?

What is fair and acceptable consequences? Article stated the value at $13,000 USD, which is grand theft.

Personally, I think recovering and unfucking the alliance he ripped off is a good start and banning him from buying new toons a must.

Some serious changes, maybe layers of security before x% of alliance wallet isk can be moved and never by a single person -if there's gonna be theft, it'll have to require more than 1 dickhead. Many more levels of hangars and storage with some requiring 2-3 people to unlock and move them -again, requires multiple dickheads, but not impossible as GHSC proved.

On a real note, CCP, when you get embezzled will you just be like "Well oh **** happens... $13,000 or $130,000 or 1.3 million stolen, LOLZ." or do what you deny your players and seek restitution/asset recovery?

I don't see why the perpetrator should be punished in any way shape or form to be honest. This is legitimate gameplay. Shifty, underhanded, and mean, but legitimate.

Beyond that, it does serve as a dual lesson both to be stingy on trust and to keep a tight lid on your corp's shiny things.
vOv

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Presidente Gallente
Best Kept Dunked
#10 - 2015-03-03 07:51:17 UTC
It's part of the actual game but maybe CCP should fix it. The CEO can set a level of access to assets and the wallet. When someone with roles wants to take ISK or stuff above this level you simply need the CEO's permission. This would prevent to empty the wallet and corp hangar. This is how usually RL companies work with partners. I am pretty sure that CCP's bank account is protected like this. :-)
Donkey Kong
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-03-03 19:45:26 UTC
With all things eve there should be a penalty, as with suspect flagging why not flag a person corp thief, like having a -10 that account is then flagged, it wont stop him opening a new account but at least flag that account ? maybe, just throwing it out there.

I do say coo-does to him in a way. he does highlight a fact that no one in eve can be trusted, kind of a shame, but a true fact.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-03-03 19:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Shodan Of Citadel wrote:
truly pathetic that more than a decade into eve this can so easily happen and the thief get away scott-free with 600 billion.

throw him to the CSM to decide what should happen to him.
Should he be banned?
Should a % be recovered to vangaurd?
Should he be banned from using that isk to buy new characters?

What is fair and acceptable consequences? Article stated the value at $13,000 USD, which is grand theft.

Personally, I think recovering and unfucking the alliance he ripped off is a good start and banning him from buying new toons a must.

Some serious changes, maybe layers of security before x% of alliance wallet isk can be moved and never by a single person -if there's gonna be theft, it'll have to require more than 1 dickhead. Many more levels of hangars and storage with some requiring 2-3 people to unlock and move them -again, requires multiple dickheads, but not impossible as GHSC proved.

On a real note, CCP, when you get embezzled will you just be like "Well oh **** happens... $13,000 or $130,000 or 1.3 million stolen, LOLZ." or do what you deny your players and seek restitution/asset recovery?


People need to stop making correlations of how much RL money ISK is. This confusing idiots into thinking ISK has a real value.

Anyway, the dude has basically got himself a nice big EVE piggy bank. Not the most ISK stolen but certainly in the top.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Valkin Mordirc
#13 - 2015-03-03 20:15:31 UTC
Shodan Of Citadel wrote:
truly pathetic that more than a decade into eve this can so easily happen and the thief get away scott-free with 600 billion.

throw him to the CSM to decide what should happen to him.
Should he be banned?
Should a % be recovered to vangaurd?
Should he be banned from using that isk to buy new characters?

What is fair and acceptable consequences? Article stated the value at $13,000 USD, which is grand theft.

Personally, I think recovering and unfucking the alliance he ripped off is a good start and banning him from buying new toons a must.

Some serious changes, maybe layers of security before x% of alliance wallet isk can be moved and never by a single person -if there's gonna be theft, it'll have to require more than 1 dickhead. Many more levels of hangars and storage with some requiring 2-3 people to unlock and move them -again, requires multiple dickheads, but not impossible as GHSC proved.

On a real note, CCP, when you get embezzled will you just be like "Well oh **** happens... $13,000 or $130,000 or 1.3 million stolen, LOLZ." or do what you deny your players and seek restitution/asset recovery?



ISK is not real.

The "1300 USD" Is a simply a conversion from the Selling rate of plex price from USD to what it can be sold in-game.

Troll post obviously, but I felt giving that clarification would be helpful to any newbros out there
#DeleteTheWeak
Phig Neutron
Starbreaker and Sons
#14 - 2015-03-03 22:36:19 UTC
These stories are awesome but I admit the one thing that bothers me is that the default plan is that now he'll just start using a new character and never again use the current one except for self-promotion on the forums.

The one thing I would enjoy more than a story about a corp theft that took months of planning is a story about a revenge plot that took years of scoping and stalking. It's too bad there are no revenge stories in EVE.

Can we brainstorm some approach to ensuring that the actions stick to the player, and discouraging more than a few identity changes? Without making the game obnoxious, of course.
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
#15 - 2015-03-03 23:41:34 UTC
Shodan Of Citadel wrote:
truly pathetic that more than a decade into eve this can so easily happen and the thief get away scott-free with 600 billion.

throw him to the CSM to decide what should happen to him.
Should he be banned?
Should a % be recovered to vangaurd?
Should he be banned from using that isk to buy new characters?

What is fair and acceptable consequences? Article stated the value at $13,000 USD, which is grand theft.

Personally, I think recovering and unfucking the alliance he ripped off is a good start and banning him from buying new toons a must.

Some serious changes, maybe layers of security before x% of alliance wallet isk can be moved and never by a single person -if there's gonna be theft, it'll have to require more than 1 dickhead. Many more levels of hangars and storage with some requiring 2-3 people to unlock and move them -again, requires multiple dickheads, but not impossible as GHSC proved.

On a real note, CCP, when you get embezzled will you just be like "Well oh **** happens... $13,000 or $130,000 or 1.3 million stolen, LOLZ." or do what you deny your players and seek restitution/asset recovery?

Dude this is the nature of the GAME!! Nothing real was stolen and someone's complancency was rewarded with a huge setback.
Get the f**k over it.

Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2015-03-04 01:16:18 UTC
Shodan Of Citadel wrote:
truly pathetic....
Indeed, so please stop posting.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
The Golden Serpent
A Drunken Squirrels' Conspiracy for Revenge
#17 - 2015-03-04 01:42:27 UTC
Agent Known wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
lol love these lines

It seems the only way to keep the wealth accumulated through the hard work of generations of dedicated members secure is in a personal hangar which defeats the point of having a corporation.

Eve has no consequences, and while some people like this about Eve, some people do not.

lol at the AWOX whiners when CCP puts the friendly fire option in, but still cannot fix any damn reason to form a corp when guys steal what basically amounts to some else's effort (aka grind), why join a corp when there is no incentive to join/be in one since its just a piggy bank waiting to be broken open. Yeah, off topic slightly....CCP may of made EVE a sandbox, but forgot to put in a reason to be in a corp since its just ripe to be ripped off Roll.


The theft is the very reason why corp hangers shouldn't be free-for-all. The temptation to walk off with hundreds of billions with virtually no risk or consequence would be too great for most people unless you feel personally connected to the people who own said assets (friends OOG, etc).

As convulted roles are, they're there for a reason.


In the real world embezzlement has a consequence. It seems unrealistic that CONCORD would only deal with pew pew situations.

-:¦:-•:'":•.-:¦:-•* K H A N I D •-:¦:-•:''''*:•-:¦:-
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2015-03-04 01:46:09 UTC
The Golden Serpent wrote:
In the real world embezzlement has a consequence. It seems unrealistic that CONCORD would only deal with pew pew situations.
This is a game, not real life, the sooner you come to terms with that, the more you will enjoy the game.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#19 - 2015-03-04 02:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
The Golden Serpent wrote:
In the real world embezzlement has a consequence. It seems unrealistic that CONCORD would only deal with pew pew situations.
This is a game, not real life, the sooner you come to terms with that, the more you will enjoy the game.

You are correct.

People who think that scamming or stealing in this game has any form or real life morality fail to see the wider picture.

If scamming or stealing is wrong then so is blowing things up given this game fundamentally encourages violence.

Anybody who fails to see to that connection one could suggest as last poster advocated, unable to comprehend that this is a game and not real life.

I'm guessing that any first world player who loses something in this game eula abiding, wouldn't trade places with a starving child in Africa.

Given this any suggestion of having being wrong done in this game they might present as things could still be worse....

Am i wrong?

Concord Approved Trader
Catalytic morphisis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2015-03-05 13:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Catalytic morphisis
Shodan Of Citadel wrote:
truly pathetic that more than a decade into eve this can so easily happen and the thief get away scott-free with 600 billion.

throw him to the CSM to decide what should happen to him.
Should he be banned?
Should a % be recovered to vangaurd?
Should he be banned from using that isk to buy new characters?

What is fair and acceptable consequences? Article stated the value at $13,000 USD, which is grand theft.

Personally, I think recovering and unfucking the alliance he ripped off is a good start and banning him from buying new toons a must.

Some serious changes, maybe layers of security before x% of alliance wallet isk can be moved and never by a single person -if there's gonna be theft, it'll have to require more than 1 dickhead. Many more levels of hangars and storage with some requiring 2-3 people to unlock and move them -again, requires multiple dickheads, but not impossible as GHSC proved.

On a real note, CCP, when you get embezzled will you just be like "Well oh **** happens... $13,000 or $130,000 or 1.3 million stolen, LOLZ." or do what you deny your players and seek restitution/asset recovery?


Awoxing is an in game mechanic, Can't ban him for that, And just because you don't approve, doesn't mean other poeple won't do it, everyone likes different aspects of the game, Some enjoy the Awoxing, Deal with it.

Going by this logic you've thrown we should all stop playing 99% of games as they involve killing, Harming, Stealing or some other form of Real world illegality, Would you call to ban GTA as you kill people and steal cars all the time in that...

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