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Jayne for CSMX - ELECTED! - Thank you for your support!

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Jayne Fillon
#41 - 2015-01-07 00:54:33 UTC
Lex Arson wrote:
CCP will not care about the topics you bring to the table and you will contribute nothing to the discussions that others will bring to the table. GL in your run.


I'm interested to hear why you think I'll be unable to contribute to any issues that aren't explicitly listed in my platform.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

KanonKongen
#42 - 2015-01-07 02:33:07 UTC
Lex Arson wrote:
I think as we all saw from Matias's run last year, founding a Thing that is successful does not necessarily grant you any credentials that makes you useful on the CSM. Your ideas might be nice, but as before stated they add very little to the actual game as far as the grand scheme of things is concerned. You now have your own corp rallying around this thread blotting it out with worthless noise. I've been a CEO longer than you've been playing this game and I wouldn't count this towards credentials to being a contributing CSM member.

vOv Vote for jayne if you want another Matias I suppose. CCP will not care about the topics you bring to the table and you will contribute nothing to the discussions that others will bring to the table. GL in your run.



Lex for CSMX
Warran Simalia
Sanctuary of Shadows
Triumvirate.
#43 - 2015-01-07 02:55:01 UTC
Jayne has been the best CEO and one of the best leader I have ever come across while playing EVE. He is passionate about the game, and I truly believe he can lead almost anyone to success. He is a fantastic FC, a fantastic leader, and a fantastic friend that I have had the pleasure to have for the past two years.

He will be number one on my ballot, and would be so if I was in any other corporation. He will be a positive impact on the CSM.
Tison Odunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2015-01-07 08:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tison Odunen
I support Jayne for CSM X.

As a Bombers Bar FC, he was always fun to be around in SF.
As a fellow member of Hades Effect, I trust him to make the right decisions.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#45 - 2015-01-08 04:39:26 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
Hi Seraph! Thanks for helping me win a bet.
I promised myself that when you eventually came around I'd respond to you once, and only once, so here we go.
Put a different way, what I do in game has no affect on my compulsions in real life when in a professional setting, this much should be obvious.
I continually argue that if we have freedom without real consequences and people choose to be horrid to others, it speaks volumes about their personality as it shows their natural uninhibited inclinations.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jayne Fillon
#46 - 2015-01-08 04:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayne Fillon
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jayne Fillon wrote:
Hi Seraph! Thanks for helping me win a bet.
I promised myself that when you eventually came around I'd respond to you once, and only once, so here we go.
Put a different way, what I do in game has no affect on my compulsions in real life when in a professional setting, this much should be obvious.
I continually argue that if we have freedom without real consequences and people choose to be horrid to others, it speaks volumes about their personality as it shows their natural uninhibited inclinations.


It can be argued either way, back and forth, endlessly. What can't be argued is that Eve and real life are two completely different things. Just because I do something in game, such as steal from another corporation, doesn't mean that I have only by the grace of god been able to repress those same urges in real life. In Eve, theft and espionage are not against the law, they are a part of the game. This is identical to how shooting people in Call of Duty is a part of that game, and has absolutely bearing on your desires to shoot people in the face while walking down the street.

In game, I probably abide by different a code of ethics than you, and that's fine - but just because you don't play by the same rules or like the way that I play my game, doesn't make my playstyle immoral or invalid. For example, I don't agree with what CODE does by extorting highsec miners, but that doesn't mean I don't support their freedom to play Eve the way that they have chosen to play it.

That's the beauty of the Sandbox.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Seraph IX Basarab
Angry Dragons
Northern Coalition.
#47 - 2015-01-08 05:08:48 UTC
You don't need to repeat the same old tired line Jayne. We all know in game and out of game are two separate things. The issue is a certain trend or tendency to basically just **** up any organization you happen to be even remotely attached to.

In one instance you use your in game play style as a reason to get elected. In the same breath you say that the way you play doesn't necessarily reflect you. You can't have it both ways.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#48 - 2015-01-08 05:09:44 UTC
Jayne Fillon wrote:
Just because I do something in game, such as steal from another corporation, doesn't mean that I have only by the grace of god been able to repress those same urges in real life.
My last post here because it is your thread. Some of us don't need to repress those urges in real life, we don't have them in the first place.
Have a good day / night.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

commander aze
#49 - 2015-01-08 05:50:47 UTC
Not to be that guy but I have had people back stab me before, steal the corp wallet and assets. hurts more when its a friend not sure what it says about a persons morals when representing a group of people when actions seem to support that you are out for yourself using questionable moral tactics.

I respect the NPSI fleets as I used to roam with NOIR and have worked with bombers bar back in my high sec days. And I respect the work to create and grow spectre fleet. (despite messing with our timer in e reach) I don't know that I could vote for you due to the corp theft thing as it would support a play style that is contrary to building a community. As well as it not speaking specifically well about the choices you might make.

TLDR scamming, spying, and corp theft are a part of the game but don't speak well about the person committing them.

Commander Aze For CSM XII

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Tison Odunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-01-08 06:06:43 UTC
commander aze wrote:
Not to be that guy but I have had people back stab me before, steal the corp wallet and assets. hurts more when its a friend not sure what it says about a persons morals when representing a group of people when actions seem to support that you are out for yourself using questionable moral tactics.

I respect the NPSI fleets as I used to roam with NOIR and have worked with bombers bar back in my high sec days. And I respect the work to create and grow spectre fleet. (despite messing with our timer in e reach) I don't know that I could vote for you due to the corp theft thing as it would support a play style that is contrary to building a community. As well as it not speaking specifically well about the choices you might make.

TLDR scamming, spying, and corp theft are a part of the game but don't speak well about the person committing them.



How?
They are PLAYSTYLES
This is a roleplaying game isn't it?
We all play a role, and all roles need to be filled.
Someone has to be the bad guy.
Just because someone plays a role, such as a thief or a pirate, doesn't mean they in real life will act even remotely similar. As a CSM, all that matters is what he will do out of game for us.
Sleightz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2015-01-08 12:01:28 UTC
In regards specifically to the background provided on Jayne. I’m really struggling to see how this would or could impact the CSM itself. Am I right in thinking that there have been elected CSM candidates in the past that have similar histories inside the game? Of deception and fraud within EVE, who've gone on to serve a successful term unhindered.

If you don’t like this course he’s taken in game then it’s probably because it’s contrary to your own chosen path in EVE. Which in that case, vote for your own scene’s prospective candidate instead. Or be insightful and note that he’s aware of the various different careers in EVE, and that he would look to support them in their own right alongside his own agenda (an agenda which every candidate has).

Also I get the impression that the information being brought about here is more of a reaction from those involved in said drama, wanting to diminish Jayne’s tin tin like character. In other words they’re still disappointed and want to defame. Not genuinely worried about any consequences his election may have on the CSM.

Or maybe you’re right to bring this about, and it’s just me who can’t see how it’s relevant. I mean what are the implications of this? He’ll break the NDA and get kicked off? Start his own CSM? Steal other council member’s treats at the summits? I just don’t get it, other than he screwed us over in a sandbox game where it’s completely permissible, and we’re still bitter.

Lastly it would seem whether people from other avenues like it or not, the NPSI way of life in EVE is now just as viable and as valid a route as any other play style in EVE. Which means it needs a representative, and I don’t see many other as well rounded and as doughy candidates as space Hitler Jayne for the cause.

I also had some other more relevant questions for Jayne I scribbled down and then lost (sorreh). I’ll get back to you.
Seraph IX Basarab
Angry Dragons
Northern Coalition.
#52 - 2015-01-08 15:42:28 UTC
Sleightz wrote:
In regards specifically to the background provided on Jayne. I’m really struggling to see how this would or could impact the CSM itself. Am I right in thinking that there have been elected CSM candidates in the past that have similar histories inside the game? Of deception and fraud within EVE, who've gone on to serve a successful term unhindered.

If you don’t like this course he’s taken in game then it’s probably because it’s contrary to your own chosen path in EVE. Which in that case, vote for your own scene’s prospective candidate instead. Or be insightful and note that he’s aware of the various different careers in EVE, and that he would look to support them in their own right alongside his own agenda (an agenda which every candidate has).

Also I get the impression that the information being brought about here is more of a reaction from those involved in said drama, wanting to diminish Jayne’s tin tin like character. In other words they’re still disappointed and want to defame. Not genuinely worried about any consequences his election may have on the CSM.

Or maybe you’re right to bring this about, and it’s just me who can’t see how it’s relevant. I mean what are the implications of this? He’ll break the NDA and get kicked off? Start his own CSM? Steal other council member’s treats at the summits? I just don’t get it, other than he screwed us over in a sandbox game where it’s completely permissible, and we’re still bitter.

Lastly it would seem whether people from other avenues like it or not, the NPSI way of life in EVE is now just as viable and as valid a route as any other play style in EVE. Which means it needs a representative, and I don’t see many other as well rounded and as doughy candidates as space ****** Jayne for the cause.

I also had some other more relevant questions for Jayne I scribbled down and then lost (sorreh). I’ll get back to you.


I can't really say your impression is correct. For my own personal experience Jayne had been a junior director in my corp, a position he failed to fulfill and ended up using it as a drama mongering pulpit. I had all but stopped playing the game due to some RL obligations so his actions were more of a turn off than any direct attack on me. It was simply stupid, obnoxious and all together pointless.

Lex Arson and I are in agreement even though we've been quite adamant about attacking each other elsewhere are in agreement. Lex was another individual who was not a victim of Jayne's drama mongering either but a witness and actually an ally for the time being.

He uses Spectre Fleet and the NPSI community as his pedestal but even that was created and maintained by dishonest means. He started Spectre Fleet specifically to replace Bombers Bar. He hired mercenaries to attack Bombers Bar all the while claiming it had been other people. He set up an AWOX on Tempelman and when he quit, he used that as an opportunity to advertise his personal channel. Hell, he even tried to work with me to set it all up although I declined to be involved. I mean his whole resume, all his credentials, everything is based off of some sort of drama mongering and dishonesty. Nothing is legitimate. So what can he contribute if all his accomplishments are based on farces? mynna or whatever other "evil goon" on the CSM may have scammed or whatever, but they have legitimate accomplishments and credentials that show "yea they can actually contribute more than just that." Can Jayne say the same?

And even if that weren't a problem, he has no actual substance to make up for it with any sort of viable ideas. Any sort of criticism leveled toward him is part of some vendetta or conspiracy in his mind. The guy can't even take a critique. I doubt he's even writing his own replies (Hi NS.) He has an alt and his corp mates chiming in cheerleading and that's about as far as it will go.
FishySquirrel
Birdsquad
Snuffed Out
#53 - 2015-01-08 16:45:34 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOQ5m4btECM

On a more related note, the BB drama is hilarious to me, especially considering it's always people from BB that keep bringing it up while they usually claim to way above all the drama and had no hand in it whatsoever and that it was all done by naughty Jayne

KanonKongen
#54 - 2015-01-08 17:01:19 UTC
FishySquirrel wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOQ5m4btECM

On a more related note, the BB drama is hilarious to me, especially considering it's always people from BB that keep bringing it up while they usually claim to way above all the drama and had no hand in it whatsoever and that it was all done by naughty Jayne




I literally watched this episode this morning :3
Jayne Fillon
#55 - 2015-01-08 17:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayne Fillon
To help round out page three on a high note, I was recently asked a lot of tough questions by Marc Scaurus of TheMittani.com and his newer project JustForCrits.com. Although the questionnaire focused on my opinions regarding lowsec, there were a lot of other topic covered that would be of interest to those who wanted a more indepth look into my opinions in other areas of the game.

You can read the answered questionairre here: http://justforcrits.com/csmx-jayne-fillon/

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Luna Pales
Sanctuary of Shadows
Triumvirate.
#56 - 2015-01-09 20:28:48 UTC
You've got my vote!
Zaph Kavees
Golden Lion Acquisition and Shipping Services
Viral Society
#57 - 2015-01-12 14:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zaph Kavees
got my vote as well,
Isk Processor
Golden Lion Acquisition and Shipping Services
Viral Society
#58 - 2015-01-13 20:57:48 UTC
While thinking about things to ask you I thought about more tools for npsi communities and how they could also help other types of groups as well. I thought of a tool with the same structure as a corp but for a profession or hobby that you do in game with people that aren't necessarily in your own corp. You could join it just like a corp, but perhaps it's a little more limited in its benefits so it's not just a repetition of corporations we have today. My thoughts were a chat channel, group bookmarks, some roles such as comm officer, and maybe station offices. With those tools people that fly npsi, suicide gank, haul, incursions etc. could enjoy the ability to stay in their main Pvp/pve/whatever else corp and also be connected with those that they do their other part time hobbies with in a more structured and useful way. I feel like this is exactly or close to what you are suggesting, but I wanted to hear more on it from you if possible. Thanks!
Jayne Fillon
#59 - 2015-01-14 01:13:50 UTC
Isk Processor wrote:
While thinking about things to ask you I thought about more tools for npsi communities and how they could also help other types of groups as well. I thought of a tool with the same structure as a corp but for a profession or hobby that you do in game with people that aren't necessarily in your own corp. You could join it just like a corp, but perhaps it's a little more limited in its benefits so it's not just a repetition of corporations we have today. My thoughts were a chat channel, group bookmarks, some roles such as comm officer, and maybe station offices. With those tools people that fly npsi, suicide gank, haul, incursions etc. could enjoy the ability to stay in their main Pvp/pve/whatever else corp and also be connected with those that they do their other part time hobbies with in a more structured and useful way. I feel like this is exactly or close to what you are suggesting, but I wanted to hear more on it from you if possible. Thanks!
Sounds like you're certainly on the right path.

When you say....
Quote:
With those tools, people [...] could enjoy the ability to stay in their main [...] and also be connected with those that they do their other part time hobbies with in a more structured and useful way
That is the exact intent of the proposed change, and precisely where the current mechanics fall short.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Sven Viko VIkolander
Allemannsrett
#60 - 2015-01-14 22:39:18 UTC
Besides the fact that Jayne has created a huge amount of content for the game and community already, with the upcoming corp mechanics revision there's probably no one more needed on the CSM than him.