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Starbase Charters and High-sec POS balance.
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Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#1 - 2014-12-14 03:06:31 UTC
So.. High-sec moons are littered with offline POS' and i don't really get it.

To keep a POS online in high-sec, you need (insert faction) Starbase Charters, this makes sense since you're essentially "renting" the factions' space.

Why would they then allow a POS to stay there indefinitely, if it is offline, what does those starbase charters actually do?


Suggestion:

If a POS runs out of starbase charters, the owning coporation will receive a warning by mail and have a certain amount of time to re-stock Starbase Charters, if they do not, the POS control tower will be attacked by faction navy until the control tower is either restocked by the owners, or destroyed.



Why? To remove offline pos' crowding high-sec, to give scavengers more to do (abandoned pos modules) and to actually give Starbase Charters a purpose other than magically keeping your POS online.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#2 - 2014-12-14 03:08:06 UTC
So would this mean you can just setup a large POS, and have it kill the navy ships?

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2014-12-14 03:16:33 UTC
You need a business license to operate a business at a location, say a restaurant.

You don't need a business license if your business closes.

Don't think of it as rent, think of it as a business license.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#4 - 2014-12-14 10:34:47 UTC
If you want the moon wardec the corp and take it down yourself.

some times in life you need to work for what you want

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#5 - 2014-12-14 18:27:53 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
If you want the moon wardec the corp and take it down yourself.

some times in life you need to work for what you want

Agree with this completely.

Besides that since there is no moon mining in high sec there really is no advantage to anyone specific moon. As there are hundreds of moons in my area of high sec alone that do not have a POS anchored on them go find one of them for your self.

On the other hand if this is just another easy way for you to take something that belongs to another player then see Lugh Crow's post.
Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#6 - 2014-12-14 18:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Daria Meridian Carlile
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
If you want the moon wardec the corp and take it down yourself.

some times in life you need to work for what you want


I'm not making suggestions for personal gain per se, I've got my 2009 char for taking down POS' without incriminating myself too much :p

I'm making this suggestion because i think the ability to have an offline pos with no charters, kinda ruins the idea of charters in general.




Donnachadh wrote:
[On the other hand if this is just another easy way for you to take something that belongs to another player then see Lugh Crow's post.


How would this be an easy way to take stuff? If it was implemented, people would adjust. Sure, a bunch of pos' would go for grabs in the first few months, but in the long haul, people will adjust.

The isk/hr of looking for abandoned pos modules wouldn't be worth it to anyone who'd played more than a few months, but for new players it'd be a new thing to do :)
Shakira Akira
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-12-14 18:39:24 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
You need a business license to operate a business at a location, say a restaurant.

You don't need a business license if your business closes.

Don't think of it as rent, think of it as a business license.



You don't need the licence once it closes that's true.. But you would still have ot pay rent, which if it's an offline pos, you're not doing since there's no costs incurred in any way shape or form.


I kind of like the idea, and I really care not about HS poses.. but there is a lot of empty ones since you don't need the standings to put them up.
Helios Panala
#8 - 2014-12-14 22:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Helios Panala
At the very least no protection should be offered to high-sec starbases that don't have charters in. Working on the theory that if you don't pay the rent no one cares.

Less dead towers laying about might ease some server resources as well.


Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
If you want the moon wardec the corp and take it down yourself.

some times in life you need to work for what you want


Nah, if you want the POS log in and put charters in it. It's not hard.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#9 - 2014-12-15 03:23:12 UTC
@OP

Just let the POS lie there and do nothing till a real person wants the moon

@ anyone who doesnt like Moons being taken up by offline POS's and/or pretends that the reason they want them removed by NPC's is to save server load (looking at no one in particular)

shoot them. An offline POS likely takes up less server load than someone running a level 4 mission.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daria Meridian Carlile
Necromatic Inc.
#10 - 2014-12-16 00:38:39 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
@OP

Just let the POS lie there and do nothing till a real person wants the moon

@ anyone who doesnt like Moons being taken up by offline POS's and/or pretends that the reason they want them removed by NPC's is to save server load (looking at no one in particular)

shoot them. An offline POS likely takes up less server load than someone running a level 4 mission.


Who in this entire thread has mentioned server load?

Nice strawman mate :p
Shakira Akira
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-12-16 01:07:53 UTC
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
@OP

Just let the POS lie there and do nothing till a real person wants the moon

@ anyone who doesnt like Moons being taken up by offline POS's and/or pretends that the reason they want them removed by NPC's is to save server load (looking at no one in particular)

shoot them. An offline POS likely takes up less server load than someone running a level 4 mission.


Who in this entire thread has mentioned server load?

Nice strawman mate :p



Helios a couple messages up.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#12 - 2014-12-16 02:49:43 UTC
Daria Meridian Carlile wrote:


Who in this entire thread has mentioned server load?

Nice strawman mate :p


lel

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs