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So who will be moving to THERA? (Jita without Concord)

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1 - 2014-11-11 17:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Since we are about to have a new type of space introduced to New Eden, and THERA is poised to be the largest and most important system in that new type of space, who is going to be moving there on a permanent or part time basis?

Perhaps more importantly, who is going to try and control it, if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Edit:
It occurs to me that some people may not be up to speed on this, you can find a run down on what we know (and don't know) about Thera here.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-11-11 17:20:44 UTC
I had thought about it, but nah. I expect that system to be a total nightmare to navigate for at least the first couple of months. Granted, it will be extremely...vibrant, but I am actually somewhat concerned that it won't get the chance to blossom into it's full potential. See, a trade hub isn't a trade hub, unless there's stuff there actually worth buying and using. I pity the first few thousand ships that try to get anything in or out.

Just imagine Jita...with bubbles.
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#3 - 2014-11-11 17:21:31 UTC
i will certainly poke my head in and have it blown off.
Ama Scelesta
#4 - 2014-11-11 17:24:11 UTC
I will get a jump clone in there, but as said until there is a working market with decent amount of equipment there, there is little point in trying to make it your base of operations.
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-11 17:39:51 UTC


Thera could truly become the Mos Eisley of our little universe.


I may not even miss the muppets in Jita Local.

Call me Joe.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#6 - 2014-11-11 17:41:05 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:


Thera could truly become the Mos Eisley of our little universe.


I may not even miss the muppets in Jita Local.



Muppets always find a way.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#7 - 2014-11-11 17:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Double post. Sorry about that.

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Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-11-11 17:46:02 UTC
I'll definitely check it out but I see no reason to "live" there as it will be a complete zoo and I don't have alts anymore (lol).

CCP has no sense of humour.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2014-11-11 17:47:31 UTC
Some Rando wrote:
I'll definitely check it out but I see no reason to "live" there as it will be a complete zoo and I don't have alts anymore (lol).

Big smile There are a lot of folks flying around who would feel right at home calling a zoo "home".

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Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#10 - 2014-11-11 17:48:03 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-11 17:50:30 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Big smile There are a lot of folks flying around who would feel right at home calling a zoo "home".

This is not to say that I don't enjoy a zoo, just that my point was that I don't have any high-sec money-making alts anymore and I highly doubt that I'd be able to make any steady ISK in that system. One account and limits on RL cash kind of dictate my play. Although Thera will certainly be very nice for regular visits...

CCP has no sense of humour.

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#12 - 2014-11-11 17:50:52 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?

A couple of reasons:

1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out.

2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2014-11-11 17:56:45 UTC
It will be an experiment in what it would be like to not have gates.

Meaning no bubble camps galore.

I'm not planning on using it though, as epic as the idea seems, but mainly because my time to play is considerably lacking these days.

(thanks CCP for the long skill que)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-11 17:58:36 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?

A couple of reasons:

1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out.

2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.

While it does have those things going for it, I don't see it developing into much more than some glorified NPC null space. Sure, some people will live there, but overall, I can't see even a moderate number of people wanting to actually base out of it.
Kharamete
Royal Assent
#15 - 2014-11-11 17:59:21 UTC
I'll get a jump-clone in there and stay a while, but I don't think it will become the 'new jita' of lawless space. For that to work, you need to be able to ship things in bulk. From what I understand capitals won't be allowed in, and therefore there won't be any jumpfreighters bringing in goods. Or Freighters.

You'd perhaps be limited to Orcas, and let's be honest – considering how risk averse people are, nobody is going to jump into Thera with an Orca without a big escort. And most people don't bother about escorts. So, no Lawless Jita in wormhole space.

That said, it could become an interesting system in its own

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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-11-11 18:02:05 UTC
Interesting idea, but it would be like connecting Amamake to everywhere... and putting new lights and gizmos all over... as a trade hub... meh, seriously doubt that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#17 - 2014-11-11 18:03:11 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?

A couple of reasons:

1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out.

2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.

While it does have those things going for it, I don't see it developing into much more than some glorified NPC null space. Sure, some people will live there, but overall, I can't see even a moderate number of people wanting to actually base out of it.

Fair enough, but I'm surprised the major alliances are taking a keen interest in having a base of operations that has very easy static connections to empire, as well as a steady stream of wormholes to everywhere... especially considering the new limitations in play that limit fleet movement via Titan bridge.

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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-11-11 18:14:05 UTC
The alliance with the ability to move the most amount of players and bubble the hell out of it during tidi will control it.

TLDR: The 2 alliances running null sec atm.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-11-11 18:16:16 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Fair enough, but I'm surprised the major alliances are taking a keen interest in having a base of operations that has very easy static connections to empire, as well as a steady stream of wormholes to everywhere... especially considering the new limitations in play that limit fleet movement via Titan bridge.

It would be entirely too easy for an alliance to get their assets camped into such a place. There's a reason that NPC null is either used only for deployments, or as a last resort when all sov is lost. Granted, the recent removal of hobojamming makes this only slightly more difficult, it's still far from impossible. Anyone with enemies could very quickly find themselves hellcamped into that station.
It makes far more sense to just use your own sov space, and take full advantage of wormholes within your regions of control.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#20 - 2014-11-11 18:27:37 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Fair enough, but I'm surprised the major alliances are taking a keen interest in having a base of operations that has very easy static connections to empire, as well as a steady stream of wormholes to everywhere... especially considering the new limitations in play that limit fleet movement via Titan bridge.

It would be entirely too easy for an alliance to get their assets camped into such a place. There's a reason that NPC null is either used only for deployments, or as a last resort when all sov is lost. Granted, the recent removal of hobojamming makes this only slightly more difficult, it's still far from impossible. Anyone with enemies could very quickly find themselves hellcamped into that station.
It makes far more sense to just use your own sov space, and take full advantage of wormholes within your regions of control.

Fair points, although a few other factors may come into play.

We don't know how many stations will be in Thera. Considering the sheer size of the system there could be a LOT.

We don't know what the system mechanics will be like, frankly at this point we don't even know if bubbles will work there. All we know is that CCP doesn't seem to think that moving ships and materials in and out of system will be difficult (or at least not impossible), and that station camping doesn't appear to worry them overly much either... which might indicate that these "unique" and unannounced system mechanics (or environmental peculiarities if you prefer) will make such activities much more difficult.

If trade and manufacturing can flourish there, one would think that a military presence could as well.

We really won't know a lot until we get facts on:

Where the static wormholes end up.
How many statics there are.
How many wandering wormholes show up, and how often.
How big the system is
How many NPC stations are there, and how far apart.
What are the new and unique environmental factors in play.

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