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OPSEC, Hard Workers, Synergy & Those Who Want it....
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Jinwei Arji
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-10-03 21:18:37 UTC
First off, let me start by saying, I tried to post this in CAOD but it won't let me make a new thread there. If admin feels it should be there and move it, I have no objections. This forum was the 2nd best choice as it covers tactics in the sense of increasing response times and efficiency, etc.

I have noticed the ever-growing rift between people who take their alliance, corp and PVP behavior seriously and those who just want to **** around all day and not put any effort into anything. My question to the community is as follows...

How many people would be interested in a corp focused on PVP that requires OPSEC, a plan of action, an SOP, and holds people accountable when they don't hold up their end of the bargain?

To some this may sound like a "turning eve into a job" as some have put it, but I see something different. Once the corp membership has built up with those who want to come in, synergize, work as a team and wreck face using planned tactics it can be a brutal entity to take on. I am thinking akin to the likes of special forces in today's respective militaries around the world. You plan,you train, you evolve the plan and you train some more. You're there for your brother next to you and he's there for you. Those who aren't there 100% for the collective goal have no place in the corp.

I ask this because some people don't care about OPSEC, or trying to analyze and improve how they go about things. Some people just want to log in and fart around and see what happens. But, some people want to log in and bust their ass to see if certain off-the-wall tactics will work, or see if they can push the envelope just a little bit further than last time and THOSE are the people I am interested in.

How many of you are out there, and would you be interested in such a corp / team to build up and kick ass with?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2014-10-03 22:36:51 UTC
There are quite a few low-sec groups that operate the way you describe ("good the have a plan and tactics, but be willing to 'Leeroy Jenkins' and laugh afterwards").

The problem for many is that these groups just don't advertise themselves and/or are relatively small (less than 50-100 people). It's one of those things where you have to go out there, find them, and then show that you can be a part of their "cool kids club."

How did you Veterans start?
Jinwei Arji
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-10-04 16:55:19 UTC
Well, I'm thinking of starting a pure PVP corp and would only be interested in people of this mindset. Only PVP characters in the corp and money making being from loot, or on alts outside of corp. Kind of like a SOF unit I described before. Things I would be trying to get done would be like multi-day or multi-week camps out in ratting space to take out large ships and stop ratting for the large shiny kills, camping a wormhole for a similar period of time to get the shinies that run the sites, guerilla warfare hit and run tactics that revolve around patience and planning.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-10-04 17:00:23 UTC
That type of game play is alluring to me. My problem is I can't see it working without set time commitments. That is not realistic if I want to maintain any sort of RL relationships. Derping around simply works best for most people as the commitment is minimal.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-10-05 18:52:58 UTC
Im interested, but I don't know what SOP and the other letters stand for.

I once said I was interested in a job selling shoes at a mall (it was next to dog on a stick). They didn't want me because I was college educated and "you cant teach them anything".

But I really would have taken the job, even though it was right next to DOAS.

your humble servent
SeaSaw
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#6 - 2014-10-05 20:57:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Plato Forko
having been in a corp that did actually function precisely the way described and having tried to run a corp that balances the holding-you-accountable ethos with just-dicking-around, the only thing i've found to be successful was just finding people who are on the same wavelength as you in terms of skill and interests, fleeting with them often and if everyone is having fun doing that then reasonably intelligent pilots will start putting in work to get the proper ships and equipment ready for themselves in the right stations without even implicitly having to be told to do so. it's far less stressful for everyone involved and the focus organically becomes non-stop PvP.

on the other hand, when there's an actual corp to manage, you're introducing stress right off the bat just by setting up an organizational structure because you'll end up wasting more time training the weak links than you would just PvPing with the strong pilots.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-10-06 04:39:38 UTC
Jinwei Arji wrote:
First off, let me start by saying, I tried to post this in CAOD but it won't let me make a new thread there. If admin feels it should be there and move it, I have no objections. This forum was the 2nd best choice as it covers tactics in the sense of increasing response times and efficiency, etc.

I have noticed the ever-growing rift between people who take their alliance, corp and PVP behavior seriously and those who just want to **** around all day and not put any effort into anything. My question to the community is as follows...

How many people would be interested in a corp focused on PVP that requires OPSEC, a plan of action, an SOP, and holds people accountable when they don't hold up their end of the bargain?

To some this may sound like a "turning eve into a job" as some have put it, but I see something different. Once the corp membership has built up with those who want to come in, synergize, work as a team and wreck face using planned tactics it can be a brutal entity to take on. I am thinking akin to the likes of special forces in today's respective militaries around the world. You plan,you train, you evolve the plan and you train some more. You're there for your brother next to you and he's there for you. Those who aren't there 100% for the collective goal have no place in the corp.

I ask this because some people don't care about OPSEC, or trying to analyze and improve how they go about things. Some people just want to log in and fart around and see what happens. But, some people want to log in and bust their ass to see if certain off-the-wall tactics will work, or see if they can push the envelope just a little bit further than last time and THOSE are the people I am interested in.

How many of you are out there, and would you be interested in such a corp / team to build up and kick ass with?

I was in the military for a few years.... damn if I will do it in a game. As for off the wall tactics... that is what SISI is for or you can just try it and see what happens... Tactics work on SISI but sometime unexpected things come up in Tranq.

By the way the only true OPSEC for a corp is a one man corp... Rule #2 or 3 is trust no one .