Warfare & Tactics

So the original reddit thread is here (new on forums, can I even post this?)
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2i2zha/the_mothership_era/

I'm going to quote the information that was given to me on reddit(i'm a 6 month year old newb with lots of imagination but i don't know some parts of the game yet).

The point of this technique is to avoid the fatigue that will hit the next patch while using Titans/carriers as motherships.

You grab a titan and install the Clone Vat, your fleet members create a clone on your titan and you proceed to fill you titan with all sort of nice looking ships (probably T3 cruisers due to size/op scale).

Then your titan pilot proceeds to jump to system and gets fatigued for 1 hour, all your nice fleet members then activate their clone in the titan which teleports them to the titan and puts them in a pod invisible and invulnerable state next to titan.

Said fleet members proceed to assemble ships in the titan Fleet hangar SMB (really fast, 60s in a pod in space is not nice), and go pew pew.

The only pilots with fatigue are the titan and carrier pilots, all the others are clear from fatigue. On the next fight you just swap titan pilot and tanaa, circumvent fatigue for an entire fleet.


Why 75 man fleet? someone gave me this info (not sure if correct, i'm a noob. Change fleet size according to correct values):

"Actually, a titan already has 5 million M3. It's enough for 54 Rail Tengus, 49 Eagles, or 43 Ishtars. With two carriers for support, that's enough for 76 Tengus.
This could be a reason to actually USE a Clone Vat."


There, fatigue circumvented even before patch hits.

I think his point was that by having multiple titan pilots in a fleet you can use the single Titan hull to get the whole fleet across the map, circumventing this change.

Fatigue should have been either fleet wide or hull specific.

WTB your Moros for 1 mil isk.

This is perfectly fine. You can do this one time at which point you will be subject to your ~24 hour jump clone timer.

i'd rather have a few minutes of fatigue than reset my JC for up to 24 hours

OP heres the issue

1) Jump clones will still have a 24 hour timer
2) 75 sub caps are much more manageable then 100 carriers/supers
3) If a fight goes south, THATS IT no back up/i win button
4) An attacker can attack, retreat and attack again and again as he chooses, YOU as the defender have to put out fires left and right from different warring parties every day, and that doesn't even factor in the logistical nightmare
5) The "storing caps at different points strategy" has an issue... you have to get those pilots SAFELY into those caps, which means on the way there ambushes can be set up (Smart bombing BS/Cap, bubbles, etc)


Just imagining all the content

When moving a titan to an online pos its already very common to light the cyno 300+ off so it can warp into the shield. When fitted for the job this is quicker than the 5km slow boat.

Also, can you still jump to a pos and online the FF around the super?

In general though, this change is convoluted. Grounding everyone from jump travel for days on end seems extreme to me. Id have thought keeping ranges the same but adding a 20m cooldown per jump would be a better first step. Seems to me like ccp has tried to be too clever in predicting emergent gameplay rather than starting with a first step that just prevents the silly tidi fights.

Saying that i can see how it will be tiresome moving huge cap fleets gate by gate for the large sov holders. Perhaps instead of developing bad gqmeplay, ccp should think about fun content drivers to power sov. Timers are the problem imo. With sov being contingent on a timer huge blob warfare is inevitable. Proposed changes simply remove the option for smaller entities to deploy caps. If it were possible to defend a system at any point while it was under siege there would be more small scale content. As per FW :p

CCP wants you to buy alts. Therefore, release a feature that has a char-specific cooldown. That'll do it.

Two things.
1) 20 minutes per jump is really nothing when a fight lasts for 20+ hours, hence why they didn't go that route.
2) This is a first step and is by no means the only change happening to nullsec life. CCP is thinking about fun content drivers to power sov, this has nothing to do with that, it's strictly to limit power projection. Sov changes are coming later, but they are coming.