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A Reminder Regarding Real Life Harassment

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CCP Falcon
#1 - 2014-09-10 09:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Hello everyone,

We would like to remind the EVE community of our stance regarding the usage of EVE Online and assets, characters and items from within the game environment as leverage for the purpose of real life harassment.

As outlined in our previous announcement, this type of behavior lies in clear breach of our End User License Agreement, and as such we have a zero tolerance approach when dealing with these cases.

Our stance regarding this type of behavior has not changed since the last announcement, and any individuals who are found to be engaging in such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against their game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

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CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#2 - 2014-09-10 12:53:49 UTC
Reserved
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3 - 2014-09-10 13:29:14 UTC
Huh, what happened now? What?
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#4 - 2014-09-10 13:35:21 UTC
There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".

Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.

It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-09-10 13:46:54 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Huh, what happened now? What?

Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#6 - 2014-09-10 13:49:06 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".

Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.

It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world.


I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#7 - 2014-09-10 14:06:40 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules.
The one who has trouble with the reality/virtual seperation is the one who gets leveraged by pixels.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause.
Next time you see a kid crying because their parents won't buy them sweets you better go save them from all that suffering.

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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#8 - 2014-09-10 16:06:01 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause.


That may be so, but if in-EVE activities cause me suffering, I consented to that possibility by playing the game. I didn't consent to being (for example) doxxed.
Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-09-10 17:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Handsome Feller
Check /r/eve on reddit. Someone has posted that they have been banned due to bonus room activities. Sooooo, threadnought incoming in 3, 2, 1...

Edit: The OP of said reddit post has deleted it. It's still linkable though.
Porucznik Borewicz
GreenSwarm
#10 - 2014-09-10 17:59:12 UTC
Is this gonna be good?
Kali Aldard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-09-10 18:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kali Aldard
Vincent Athena wrote:
There is something that has always bothered me about this separation of the "virtual game world" and "the real world".

Every person playing the game is in the real world. Every computer being used for play is in the real world. Every word seen on a computer screen is shown on a screen in the real world and read by a person in the real world.

It would seem that the game world consists of bytes in a computer, and nothing more. So this statement "However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world. " means that harassment type behavior cannot be displayed on any computer screen to any person, because as soon as it is, that behavior enters the real world.

I can't imagine how the rules can differ between griefing someone in a video game vs griefing the same someone in yet another internet chat room (albeit voice-chat). I still refer to players (that I don't know IRL) by their Eve character's name in Teamspeak.
FleetWarp Ichoriya
#12 - 2014-09-10 18:13:06 UTC
I approve!

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#13 - 2014-09-10 18:39:53 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Likely someone forced another player to do something against his will out-of-game using in-game assets as leverage. Basically more tools who can't separate a game from reality and who therefore go after the player, instead of the character he plays with using the accepted in-game rules.
The one who has trouble with the reality/virtual seperation is the one who gets leveraged by pixels.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I find it highly delusional to accept cruelty on others with the excuse that "nothing real" is involved. Suffering is *always* real, no matter the cause.
Next time you see a kid crying because their parents won't buy them sweets you better go save them from all that suffering.


If you can't think of some difference between parenting and child abuse, I suggest you to not have any children.
Dave Stark
#14 - 2014-09-10 18:53:47 UTC
and this is what happens when you set terrible precedents.
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-09-10 19:08:14 UTC
Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life?
Handsome Feller
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-09-10 19:28:20 UTC
Jin Kugu wrote:
Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life?


If you've ever been on the receiving end of some persistent & aggressive telephone marketing, you'd know the (obvious) answer to this.
Dave Stark
#17 - 2014-09-10 20:02:29 UTC
Handsome Feller wrote:
Jin Kugu wrote:
Can you harass someone in real life if you don't know who that person is in real life?


If you've ever been on the receiving end of some persistent & aggressive telephone marketing, you'd know the (obvious) answer to this.


the easy way to deal with those is to simply not answer the phone to numbers you don't recognise, and if you do answer one then you can always hang up with one button press.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#18 - 2014-09-10 20:36:00 UTC
Moar "the inappropriate drunked joke"?
Kelaian Stareine
Relentless Terrorism
#19 - 2014-09-10 22:00:04 UTC
Apparently the new standard for "harassment" is voluntarily making poor choices with ISK, voluntarily logging onto a teamspeak, and voluntarily singing songs in hopes of getting paid back.

In other words, making repeated decisions and not learning from your mistakes is now considered harassment, even if you had the opportunity to quit and avoid the so called "harassment" at any time by clicking the little red X at the top right of the screen.

I don't often see eye to eye with Dave stark, but he is right here. This is exactly what happens when you set a terrible precedent.

Bad call CCP.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#20 - 2014-09-10 23:06:47 UTC
This is a good stance and hopefully leads to the removal of these disgusting people from the game.

There is a huge divide between the classic ransoming a ship for a home-delivery pizza and the stuff that people like E******1 get up to in their so-called bonus rooms.

If you lack the imagination or resources to keep the consequences in-game then you have no business being here.

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