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Capsuleer Migrants: Children of Two Worlds

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#1 - 2014-03-17 15:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Good day, fellow capsuleers. Some of you may already know of me from infrequent posting in this forum, or discussions in the Summit and other venues, but for those who do not, please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Aelisha Montenagre, capsuleer and Intaki.

As a trader and manufacturer, I have had the pleasure of being able to travel much of the cluster, from the core empires out to the fringes of capsuleer null-sec. The people, cultures and practices I have encountered are many and varied, but it is no secret that I hold the State in high regard, to the point of having sought citizenship in the past. Unfortunately, due to my capsuleer status and rigorous control of citizenship applications, I do not have the honour of calling myself a citizen of the State, but continue to work to incorporate State values into the environment and culture of my corporation and work with my peers in MITG to pursue such at an alliance level. I retain my Federation citizenship as a result, supporting the Sociocrat party and maintaining a low but tolerable standing with the Federation.

What has this got to do with any of you, you might ask? Is this capsuleer just looking for an avenue to talk about herself?

Not at all. Until I received my final permit to undock, entering the world of a licensed capsule pilot, I had mostly considered myself happy with my lot as a Federation citizen, though as any Federation inhabitant can probably attest there were always doubts and tensions. Such is part of a democratic life, a constant struggle for one's views to be represented and taken seriously among the trillions of others.

It was my first forays into null-sec with Ekliptika, then IRON that brought me into contact with State loyal capsuleers, many of whom I grew to respect deeply. After several years of deliberation and discussion, my opinion of the State had changed from viewing it as a homogenous entity of corporate capitalism, to a rich, supportive collective of individuals with unparalleled purpose and drive. I consider this to be a critical formative moment in my life.

The point of this thread, is to open up discussion on the topic of being brought into another culture, as a capsuleer. The transition from baseline to immortal (in a fashion) is jarring in itself, but the exposure to other cultures is beyond even the most rigorous documentary work one may access via an Egone. I would dearly like to hear from others who felt a change of heart, who might have found a home away from home, or new home entirely, as a result of becoming a capsuleer.

So, are you someone who feels they shed more than just their mortality upon entering the capsule? Have you found a culture more suited to you? It matters not if it is among the CONCORD signatory nations, satellite nations, pirate organisations or even self-made capsuleer empires. If you have experienced a profound change in your cultural preferences and choice of residence, I urge you to discuss it in this thread.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-03-17 16:17:43 UTC
Aelisha wrote:

As a trader and manufacturer, I have had the pleasure of being able to travel much of the cluster, from the core empires out to the fringes of capsuleer null-sec. The people, cultures and practices I have encountered are many and varied, but it is no secret that I hold the State in high regard, to the point of having sought citizenship in the past. Unfortunately, due to my capsuleer status and rigorous control of citizenship applications, I do not have the honour of calling myself a citizen of the State, but continue to work to incorporate State values into the environment and culture of my corporation and work with my peers in MITG to pursue such at an alliance level. I retain my Federation citizenship as a result, supporting the Sociocrat party and maintaining a low but tolerable standing with the Federation.

The best and fastest way to earn State citizenship is to serve military duty to the State.
Only by risking your own life, by sacrificing yourself willingly, you can show where your heart and loyalties stand.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jurou Yuan
Wolfraam 74
#3 - 2014-03-17 16:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jurou Yuan
Diana. You need to be born inside the state to be considered a citizen, it cannot be earned by 'outsiders'. Surely you know that?
Cuci Cairi
#4 - 2014-03-17 16:43:25 UTC
My experience was quite the reverse. When I spend time outside of the Federation, it gradually makes me want to return even more.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-17 17:06:46 UTC
Jurou Yuan wrote:
Diana. You need to be born inside the state to be considered a citizen, it cannot be earned by 'outsiders'. Surely you know that?

As a born Caldari I never had troubles with citizenship myself. But I believe it is not hard to get a citizenship for those, who wish to fight and die for Caldari like Caldari.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-03-17 17:37:20 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
My experience was quite the reverse. When I spend time outside of the Federation, it gradually makes me want to return even more.

I'll have to concur with this line of thought. No place like home.

To be quite honest, I've never even considered the notion of leaving my loyalty to and residence in the Federation behind for another Empire (though I've occasionally considered becoming a wormhole resident). Then again, that may just be due to being raised in a proud military family and having the pilots of the most similar and relatable other Empire (the State) constantly trying to take over my homeworld.

Granted, that's mostly just an inconvenience when it does happen, but it can still mess with planning trips back home. Not to mention the dreadful Caldari television we're forced to endure during the occupations. At least I as a capsuleer have the capacity to leave quickly and relatively safely and escape that fate; my Gallente soap opera-loving nieces, not so much.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-03-17 17:45:59 UTC
You must be confused, Bryen, that's OUR homeworld that you blockaded, bombed and stole.

Maybe that kind of cognitive dissonance helps bring you back home.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#8 - 2014-03-17 18:18:49 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You must be confused, Bryen, that's OUR homeworld that you blockaded, bombed and stole.

Maybe that kind of cognitive dissonance helps bring you back home.

He's referring to Intaki, Pieter. Which you know perfectly well is right in the middle of the warzone.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-17 18:18:59 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You must be confused, Bryen, that's OUR homeworld that you blockaded, bombed and stole.

Maybe that kind of cognitive dissonance helps bring you back home.

I did that? Sheesh, must have gotten more drunk this weekend than I thought...
Cuci Cairi
#10 - 2014-03-17 18:58:35 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:

Granted, that's mostly just an inconvenience when it does happen, but it can still mess with planning trips back home. Not to mention the dreadful Caldari television we're forced to endure during the occupations. At least I as a capsuleer have the capacity to leave quickly and relatively safely and escape that fate; my Gallente soap opera-loving nieces, not so much.


That media, that media. I think I may have PTSD from a Caldari show I saw once.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2014-03-17 19:03:08 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You must be confused, Bryen, that's OUR homeworld that you blockaded, bombed and stole.

Maybe that kind of cognitive dissonance helps bring you back home.

He's referring to Intaki, Pieter. Which you know perfectly well is right in the middle of the warzone.


Guh. Sorry about that.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#12 - 2014-03-17 20:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo Lyserius
I could have double citizenship. My father was a Deteis pilot and my mother, a Gallente cook. I was born in New Caldari and although I lived there only up to my fourth year of age, it would be enough for me to acquire jus soli and jus sanguinis citizenship. When my father died in battle, though, my mother returned to the Federation and I was raised as a typical Gallente. The early cultural influence from my father didn't last per se, but the notion that I had mixed influences in an early age remained. Although Gallente are considered the most culturally tolerant of the four Empires, I was always even more tolerant to other cultures.

I remember, as an undergraduate in the University of Caille, to be one of the few students of the courses not in favour of "imposing" democracy and freedom around the cluster.

The real change came when I was contracted to work for a corporation in wormhole space. There I worked with people from all four Empires on a daily basis and in complete equality. It becomes hard to truly condemn other cultures when you live with people from such cultures and get to know them well. People like Diana Kim are that way mostly because they've never had to cohabit or get to really know people from cultures they oppose. Nauplius wants to slay all the Jove and/or Minmater mostly because he never sat down to have a cup of tea with one of them.

Right now, although I retain my Federation citizenship and some of its way of life, I really feel largely "above" any national belonging. I could - as I have already - fit anywhere as a capsuleer. And if I had to choose a single place to live and identify, it would be some kind of autonomous capsuleer-republican-corporation.

I do believe the trend is for capsuleers to drift away from their original cultures as our own capsuleer culture starts to take a more defined shape.

In nullsec space, Caldari-born capsuleers can forget their megacorporations, True Amarr can work for Minmatar bosses and Jin Mei can enjoy high social mobility. And that's what's changing a whole cultural paradigm in our age.
Cuci Cairi
#13 - 2014-03-17 20:22:18 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:

I remember, as an undergraduate in the University of Caille, to be one of the few students of the courses not in favour of "imposing" democracy and freedom around the cluster.


That's a bit of a stretch, to argue that University of Caille courses advocate "imposing" things on others. Advocating freedom is not the same thing as advocating the rampant imposition of it.
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#14 - 2014-03-17 20:23:59 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Apollo Lyserius wrote:

I remember, as an undergraduate in the University of Caille, to be one of the few students of the courses not in favour of "imposing" democracy and freedom around the cluster.


That's a bit of a stretch, to argue that University of Caille courses advocate "imposing" things on others. Advocating freedom is not the same thing as advocating the rampant imposition of it.


They don't - the courses. Most young gallente who enroll do, however. Luckily most of them get to moderate their views by the end of the course, specially if it's the Law course - where you are obliged to learn how to be moderate.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#15 - 2014-03-17 20:34:41 UTC
An interesting thread, Aelisha-haani.

Unfortunately for the purposes of this thread, I cannot say I have ever had the desire to adopt a culture other than what I grew up with. I live, eat, and breathe Caldari, and I always will. My situation is a bit of an odd one, though. I suppose one could say my family and myself resided in the State as "minimum wage" workers for a large planetary corporation on Abagawa IV. My parents had no real recollection of their ancestral heritage, and thus, naturally, we simply adopted the cultural values of the society we lived in - Caldari. When the opportunity arose for us to return back to the lands of our bloodline, the Minmatar Republic, we opted to stay in the Caldari State.

Also, should you ever need assistance with acquiring State citizenship, I would be glad to help. Each megacorp, more or less, has their own rules and processes for acquiring citizenship. It wouldn't be difficult to pull a few strings here and there, or at least point you in the right direction to acquire citizenship from the mega you feel most aligned with. Moitte.

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Cuci Cairi
#16 - 2014-03-17 20:35:16 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Apollo Lyserius wrote:

I remember, as an undergraduate in the University of Caille, to be one of the few students of the courses not in favour of "imposing" democracy and freedom around the cluster.


That's a bit of a stretch, to argue that University of Caille courses advocate "imposing" things on others. Advocating freedom is not the same thing as advocating the rampant imposition of it.


They don't - the courses. Most young gallente who enroll do, however. Luckily most of them get to moderate their views by the end of the course, specially if it's the Law course - where you are obliged to learn how to be moderate.


You certainly had different classmates than me. Try not to judge so broadly, next time.
Apollo Lyserius
Minerva Technologies
#17 - 2014-03-17 20:48:41 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
[quote=Apollo Lyserius]

You certainly had different classmates than me. Try not to judge so broadly, next time.


I'm not judging anything, I'm just describing something that happened in my time as a student.
Cuci Cairi
#18 - 2014-03-17 20:52:26 UTC
Apollo Lyserius wrote:
Cuci Cairi wrote:
[quote=Apollo Lyserius]

You certainly had different classmates than me. Try not to judge so broadly, next time.


I'm not judging anything, I'm just describing something that happened in my time as a student.


"Most young gallente who enroll do, however."

That is certainly describing something far beyond your own classmates.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2014-03-17 21:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
Thank you to those of you who have replied with your experiences. Less of the pointless back and forth over minor issues that are off-topic would be appreciated, however.

Korsavius, your offer is generous, but I am at present happy to maintain my current status as capsuleer freedoms pretty much make up for any perceived lack of status in a cluster that tends to lock our kind out of the political machinery by and large. However, I would enjoy a discussion about your experiences as a State born Minmatar, if you don't mind talking about it?

Mr Lyserius, it was interesting to read your perspective and your candidness was appreciated. In this age of open travel and the many berths our crews may find themselves, children of mixed birth are a growing portion of the cluster. Experiences such as yours are likely to grow over time, and it will be interesting to see the boundaries of gene and race adapt to this fact of life in an increasingly connected, turbulent cluster.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Cuci Cairi
#20 - 2014-03-17 21:12:08 UTC
While I don't think it is pointless to clarify whether he was trying to argue that all young Gallente students enter university wishing to impose freedom on others, I suppose for the sake of the thread I can answer more thoroughly. You appear to be genuinely interested.

While I was born in the Federation, my family immigrated to Caille and the so-called cultural center of the Federation. While I have traveled some in my short months as a capsuleer, nothing has been able to capture my attention like Caille and the Federation as a whole. The fast pace and variety of it keeps me much more interested than anywhere else I have been.

That being said, I have had some very enjoyable times in Rens.
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