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Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-03-14 15:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeshah Volfield
Greetings, fellow capsuleers.

Is there any point in training black ops (minmatar) and all relevant skills (namely the Jump Drive and Jump Portal skills) to V if you aren't planning on using capitals ?

For reference, I'll have all other minmatar T2 subcaps, leadership, drones, etc skills at level 5 by the time I have to decide.

Though plans may change, depending on how future expansions change the game, currently undecided between training BO or use that time to train every other skill I have to V (trading, Int primary skills, possibly specializations), just to make it perfectly skilled.

Once this training is all done, I'll stop training that character to keep clone costs manageable even if I fly frigates and focus on training my other alts for other roles.

I have no experience concerning this particular hull so any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance and fly safe o7.

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#2 - 2014-03-14 16:50:08 UTC
Most people don't use black ops because of the price but they are a lot of fun if you can find a group that uses them regularly.

Panther can shield or armor tank which makes it really versatile.

Not today spaghetti.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2014-03-14 19:24:57 UTC
Black Ops ships would be almost exclusively used for PvP, so my first thought is:
If clone cost is an issue for you, then losing a Panther would be a game breaking event.
For that reason alone I would say, don't train for it.

Also, you could still be in a black ops gang with a lesser ship. You don't HAVE to be the bridge ship to enjoy the fleet.

Based on your criteria, (experience, cost issues, skill priority) I say not now, maybe later.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-03-14 20:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Is there any point in training black ops (minmatar) and all relevant skills (namely the Jump Drive and Jump Portal skills) to V if you aren't planning on using capitals ?

There are two skills to consider because of prerequisites:
* Jump Drive Calibration 5
* Jump Fuel Conservation 5

Black Ops have very short jump range, plus IMHO Jump Drive Calibration 5 should be a prerequisite for any ship with a jump drive. It is that good of a skill.

Jump Fuel Conservation 4 is manageable, but you can jump and bridge more with Jump Fuel Conservation 5. Black Ops have limited fuel and cargo capacity, unless you want to bridge a bunch of Blockade Runners along.

Do not get confused by Jump Portal Generation, as its bonus does not apply to covert bridges. You only need level 1.

My alt is currently training Black Ops 5 (24d left *sigh*). The skill isn't essential if you are only bridging, but it is nice to help negate the cloak penalty. Otherwise it gives a nice damage bonus, especially to the Panther.
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-03-14 20:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeshah Volfield
RavenPaine wrote:
Black Ops ships would be almost exclusively used for PvP, so my first thought is:
If clone cost is an issue for you, then losing a Panther would be a game breaking event.
For that reason alone I would say, don't train for it.


I'll only consider clone cost an issue if flying cheap frigates specifically, which I enjoy the most. For larger ships, not so much, given the fact it's a rather small hit compared to implants and hull cost.

If I risk a panther, Im fully prepared to lose it and the pod.

In any case, am aiming at under 203m SP since 45m isk per pod is my limit where I can enjoy cheap frigate roams in a sustainable manner.

Tau Cabalander wrote:
Do not get confused by Jump Portal Generation, as its bonus does not apply to covert bridges. You only need level 1.


This clears up some confusion I've had about this skill.

Do you need an alt to truck along fuel in the cargohold when you roam ?

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-14 21:34:41 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
You're way overthinking the whole clone cost thing. You're pilot is about two years old. It will take you about 9 years to reach the 200 mil SP mark. That's with using learning implants. By then who knows what you'll be flying or if med clones will still be in the game.
Ayeshah Volfield
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-03-14 21:55:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeshah Volfield
Thank you for all the answers, got quite a bit of information to ponder about.

EVE is what happens when the rule of law does not apply and Darwinism is allowed to run freely.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2014-03-15 20:45:57 UTC
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Do not get confused by Jump Portal Generation, as its bonus does not apply to covert bridges. You only need level 1.

This clears up some confusion I've had about this skill.

To expand, Jump Portal Generator I requires Strontium for activation, and Covert Jump Portal Generator I doesn't.

Jump Portal Generation reduces Strontium consumption, so training it past level 1 for covert operations is pointless.

Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Do you need an alt to truck along fuel in the cargohold when you roam ?

Depends on how far you roam and what you are bridging. Bridging heavier ships requires more fuel, as does bridging or jumping longer distances.