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[Discussion] Caldari Prime Battle Gathering and Missing Man Formation

Author
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2014-03-13 18:32:10 UTC
Capsuleers,

As some of you may know, a gathering is held to remember/celebrate the battle of Caldari Prime/Operation Highlander.

I've been contemplating contributing my experience in formation flight to the squad performing the missing man formation at this gathering, in part to promote this practice, but I have some doubts if I feel comfortable doing so, and if it would be looked upon favourably by you, especially those of you serving in the militias.

What do you think of the nature and activities at this gathering?
If you do not agree with the nature of this gathering and (some of) the other activities there, are you okay with capsuleers participating/observing in the missing man formation?
Do you think there should be restrictions on what the missing man formation should be like in order to properly honour the fallen, like ship types used, capsuleers performing the formation, etc?
Jace Sarice
#2 - 2014-03-13 19:08:36 UTC
Attempting to achieve a consensus on attendance, formations, and the like will not be successful. People will show and participate if they want to and how they want to.
Maria Daphiti
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2014-03-13 19:09:01 UTC
I think its a nice idea Che!

Although what about the missing women lost int the battle?

I think you should have a male and a female pilot peel off when the missing formation spaces are created.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2014-03-14 01:40:03 UTC
Sir... The formation and tradition are meant to honor the fallen, not cater to the whims of every capsuleer who wants their own private touch. Fly the formation as it always has been flown, and know that the gesture itself is what matters.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2014-03-14 04:29:22 UTC
I would personally prefer it was flown by veterans of the battle, myself - but as many of them are militia pilots and therefore persona non grata in Luminaire it may not be possible.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-03-14 13:41:21 UTC
I think blowing up some gallentean navy, who attacks Caldari there (or even some gallentean capsuleers) is a good way to honor those, who died from gallentean hands there, defending our home.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-14 14:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I vote we hold a ceremony in which we symbolically bring an end to the age of jingoism and relentless irrational hatred which has slain countless many of both our peoples and permanently wounded the Homeworld...

By blowing up Diana Kim.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Jace Sarice
#8 - 2014-03-14 14:38:46 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I vote we hold a ceremony in which we symbolically bring an end to the age of jingoism and relentless irrational hatred which has slain countless many of both our peoples and permanently wounded the Homeworld...

By blowing up Diana Kim.


You do realize that you can cause certain people to not be displayed on the IGS when you are viewing it, correct? That's all that is required for Diana Kim. It helps free up clutter immensely.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#9 - 2014-03-14 14:46:02 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
I vote we hold a ceremony in which we symbolically bring an end to the age of jingoism and relentless irrational hatred which has slain countless many of both our peoples and permanently wounded the Homeworld...

By blowing up Diana Kim.


You do realize that you can cause certain people to not be displayed on the IGS when you are viewing it, correct? That's all that is required for Diana Kim. It helps free up clutter immensely.

And then you have to block everyone who responds to and quotes her, and everyone who responds to them and quotes them, and so on and so forth.

The software we've been given to work with here isn't quite intelligent enough for that method to just work straight out of the box.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Jace Sarice
#10 - 2014-03-14 14:54:27 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Jace Sarice wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
I vote we hold a ceremony in which we symbolically bring an end to the age of jingoism and relentless irrational hatred which has slain countless many of both our peoples and permanently wounded the Homeworld...

By blowing up Diana Kim.


You do realize that you can cause certain people to not be displayed on the IGS when you are viewing it, correct? That's all that is required for Diana Kim. It helps free up clutter immensely.

And then you have to block everyone who responds to and quotes her, and everyone who responds to them and quotes them, and so on and so forth.

The software we've been given to work with here isn't quite intelligent enough for that method to just work straight out of the box.


This is true, but the sheer volume of her posts that you no longer see is noticeable when absent. People only respond to her when they are bored - a significant amount of her nonsense just glides by when blocked. It isn't perfect, but it is certainly effective enough to be noticeable.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-03-14 14:56:33 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
People only respond to her when they are bored.


True. Guilty as charged.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-03-14 17:15:48 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I vote

I knew you was gallentean sympathizer.
Stitcher wrote:
we hold a ceremony in which we symbolically bring an end to the age of jingoism and relentless irrational hatred which has slain countless many of both our peoples and permanently wounded the Homeworld...

By blowing up Diana Kim.

Instead we should hold a ceremony in which we symbolically bring an end to traitors and those, who wishes the State to be weak and subjugated to gallentean subhumans...

By blowing up Stitcher.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-03-14 17:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Oh please, all I'd have to do is jut out my chin and I'd tank all the firepower in Luminaire. Any attempt would just be a waste of good ammunition, not to mention being embarrassing for all involved.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Ninavask
The Synenose Accord
#14 - 2014-03-14 18:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninavask
I vote a ceremony be held that denotes common sense and respect for the dead as well as our freedom to choose what to do...

By blowing up Sansha.

This may require a small field trip away from Luminaire...

Dr. Ninavask Revan

Colonist

Alexylva Paradox

The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#15 - 2014-03-15 01:19:52 UTC
Ninavask wrote:
I vote a ceremony be held that denotes common sense and respect for the dead as well as our freedom to choose what to do...

By blowing up Sansha.

This may require a small field trip away from Luminaire...


You, Ninavask, are welcome back to Reynire any time in your covert ops frigate. Just let me know ahead of time so we can arrange a smartbomb battleship wing to greet you. This event has nothing to do with my people. And for the record on that day I fought on the side of the State in defending the Leviathan from Gallente and Capsuleer aggression.
Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2014-03-15 01:28:26 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Ninavask wrote:
I vote a ceremony be held that denotes common sense and respect for the dead as well as our freedom to choose what to do...

By blowing up Sansha.

This may require a small field trip away from Luminaire...


You, Ninavask, are welcome back to Reynire any time in your covert ops frigate. Just let me know ahead of time so we can arrange a smartbomb battleship wing to greet you. This event has nothing to do with my people. And for the record on that day I fought on the side of the State in defending the Leviathan from Gallente and Capsuleer aggression.


Seems like frigates are the only thing you can handle.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#17 - 2014-03-15 09:12:54 UTC
To get this thread back in line, the Missing man formations are a part of the events that will occur at the first year anniversary of The Battle for Caldari Prime, to honor the fallen.

From the many replies here, I see some have trouble seeing why Gallente or Caldari should celebrate, let alone, do it together.

The article 'Preparations for the first year anniversary of the Battle for Caldari Prime' aims to remedy that, by explaining why both sides can celebrate the outcome of this battle, and even why they can do it together.

It's one of the rare conflicts where both sides got what they wanted, Caldari Prime remains Caldari and Luminaire space remains Gallente, signed in a historic treaty by both sides.


My view on the Missing Man formations is that the intent is what matters, albeit I would avoid any criminal elements in partaking in this Formation flight, as to nullify any controverse that could arise from this.

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