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The greatest scam of EVE online

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-20 09:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlon Goblin
Could you imagine an alliance recruiting thousands of people, just to use them for wars they didn't mean, for a master they don't even like? A pet alliance without SRP, without good killboard, without ratting space? That would be some serious scam.

Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce Red versus Blue!

Oh you know them already, they are those cute newbies who PvP in frigates for fun? Yes, that's the cover story. But for that to be true, they shouldn't have other wars than the Red-Blue one, and the unavoidable self-defense wars. But since 2013 Jan 1, Blue Republic has/had 85 wars that they started, either as aggressor or as ally of another corp/alliance which was not Red Federation. Red had the clones of the Blue wars, as they act together against external enemies.

You can see these wars yourself by selecting the alliance RvB - Blue Republic in-game, show info, war history. Look for the wars that has the blue alliance logo on the left (aggressor) and those which feature neither Blue, nor Red as main participants (jumped-in ally). On my blog you can see the complete list of 85 wars, here I just copy the interesting part.

I've opened every war report and added the kill and loss value to an excel table. Since Jan 1, 2013, the voluntary wars of Blue Republic caused 548B damage to the participants (Blue, Red, allies, enemies). Let's see the largest ones:

  • War: The Marmite Collective vs. New Eden Advanced Research, 44.4B damage: New Eden Advanced Research was member of RvB - BLUE Republic between 2013.11.19 to 2013.11.22, so it's an RvB alt corp, let's classify this war as "self defense" then.
  • War: RvB - BLUE Republic vs. Ivy League, 74.3 B damage
  • War: RvB - BLUE Republic vs. Brave Collective; 34B damage. These two are against known newbie-friendly groups EVE Uni and Brave Newbies. These were probably made for fun, to let newbies brawl each other.

Let's subtract these wars from the rest, leaving 82 wars with 395B damage.
Now comes the first surprise. 74 of these 82 wars have only 29B damage total. That's strange, most of these wars don't even have a single kill.. The remaining 8 wars hold 366B damage. Let's examine them closely:

  • War: The Marmite Collective vs. Blohm and Voss Shipyards Alliance, 15.2B damage. Blohm and Voss has 1 system Sov in Vale of the Silent, surrounded by the Sov of the Goon renter alliance. So they are friendly to Goons.
  • War: RvB - BLUE Republic vs. DARK UNI0N: this is an automatically created war, because D A R K Homeworld corp joined the DARK UNI0N alliance, and was already at war. So this actually part of the next war:
  • War: D A R K Homeworld vs. Goonswarm Federation, 2.2B+10B from the above
  • War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation, 164B
  • TinkerTown Terrorists vs. Goonswarm Federation, 5.3B
  • War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goonswarm Federation, 79.4B
  • War: Darwins Lemmings vs. Goonswarm Federation, 52.8B
  • War: The Marmite Collective vs. Goon Capital, 22.1B, Goon Capital had the corp that replaced a destroyed Goon POCO and after that joined Goonswarm Federation


Can you see the running theme here? Except for self defense wars, E-UNI and Brave Newbies war and dummy wars without actual fighting, every single war of Blue Republic was in defense of Goonswarm Federation. Red is doing the same of course, since they join wars together.

Update: let's see the same thing from GSF perspective (details on my blog)! Goonswarm was attacked in 130 wars since Jan 1, 2013. Goons and allies lost 423.4B in these wars. RvB joined to 13 wars, and in these wars GSF and allies lost 264.4B. So 62% of the war losses happened while under protection of RvB. Granted, it's not 100%. Bad, bad pets!

Red versus Blue is a scam that affects 8000 people and it's especially disgusting for targeting newbies. They are promised PvP teaching and fun, but actually they are marched against the highsec enemies of Goonswarm, mostly The Marmite Collective, the alliance with the best killboard ratio in EVE. Due to being newbies, they are practically cannon fodder, their ISK ratio is horrible. But who cares, as long as the interests of the Goons are protected.

If you are victim of this scam, immediately leave RvB! If you have friends scammed, warn them about the nature of this scam.
If you want revenge for being used as Goon cannon fodder, join Darwins Lemmings, who are in foreverwar with Goons, nullsec pets and RvB of course.

It's time to stop scamming newbies into being slaves of Goons!

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#2 - 2014-02-20 09:12:51 UTC
First!

Will gank for food

Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-20 09:32:14 UTC
Garven Dreis easily claims second post in a thread he didn't read.

Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#4 - 2014-02-20 09:35:26 UTC
:D Garven.

Anyway I went and got this as I think its relevant to any further discourse:

FallenTitan wrote:
Gevlon,

I’ll make this public, since you’ve decided to make nothing private.

I'm not one for forums so you probably won't see me post a response again, because I actually have a community to manage in game. Apparently you run some blog site too but i'm yet to waste my time on that.

You seem to state a lot of things that RvB leadership are planning, yet you've never asked me, or the other RvB CEO a single thing. I’m probably one of the most chilled easy-going guys you will meet in EvE, so don’t be afraid to simply talk to me rather than spouting haphazard rumours that make you look silly.

I must take my hat off and thank you for creating so much extra content for RvBers. Purple fleets help to solicit the community bond between both teams and they are a hell of a lot of fun (Stick a spy alt in them and enjoy our coms).

RvB obviously thoroughly enjoys PvP combat, and we take all the targets we can get. If you were not such an imbecile at the start, you could have come to us and said "hey would you like to help us shoot *Insert Any Alliance Here* for a week?" and we might have listened if it gave us good fights. We don't really care who we shoot, because we have no null-sec sovereignty to defend or tangible treaties to break. But now after your terrible management of what should have been a diplomatic war, you are left with fewer options and more opposition.

I don't really mind Marmites anymore, we have some fun tussles and they provide our pilots with lots of third party war-target content when some of our pilots want to fly together as purple and bring out the fun ships.
We lose some ships to them; they lose some ships to us. Very surprisingly, RvBers have grown to enjoy Marmite combat because we get to use fun ships that we wouldn’t normally like to explode 10 times a day in normal RvB combat. I'm sure Marmites enjoy the combat just as much, given that we have some silly new members who don’t know how to use instant-undocks (You are welcome Tora). I’ve learned that they are great at camping stations and trade routes; it’s not my idea of fun but good on them for doing what they do best. They also have some of the most entertaining forum trolls that I’ve witnessed.

As for a 'deal' with Goonswarm, it's nothing but a mutual agreement and never will be anything more. You know, the kinds of things that two sensible and intelligent organisations perform. After our POCOs were acquired, the conversation went basically like this "If you want to help defend our POCOs, we will help defend yours. There's no obligation to come and we know there are times that you won’t want to if you have other stuff to do".
Goons know full well that RvB likes to remain as neutral as we can. But this mutual agreement makes too much sense for both RvB and Goonswarm. It originally started during the POCO implementation into EvE. Both Goons and RvB wanted as many POCOs in The Forge region as we could each get, it would be silly to spend half the acquisition time fighting each other, so we said we will try and aim for different systems… and we did just that. The whole conversation was over before you could drink a glass of Quafe.

I was hesitating whether or not it was necessary to help Goonswarm in the last POCO assistance. I was actually leaning against it, to try and find some new third party war-targets… but the response from our members suggested that they really enjoyed the last POCO defence fleets and roams, so as long as RvB members are having fun I don’t mind RvB entering the war again if Goonswarm needs assistance (they really don’t even need our help). If RvB members did not enjoy it, we would not do it; some of the members who lost expensive pods were the most vocal advocates for continuing the war. We laugh at them for losing expensive pods and they laugh too (Just probably not as much).

The killboard statistics which you seem to post. We simply don’t care. Posting an RvB war report is like posting a BNI war report. You seem to be the only person in New Eden who does not know that RvB is not playing a risk-averse PvP game here. The only time we post a killboard report is if we win against people who are trying to play an ISK efficiency game, because that stuff both amuses and surprises us.

I've come to the conclusion that you have kept this entire charade going purely because you like the attention... Honestly, that’s my current thoughts. Otherwise, I can not see the benefits from your standpoint.

By trying to crush this 'evil Goon regime' you've gone ahead and proven that goons are not bad guys at all, and at the same time... proven what a rude ignorant person you can be.

The way I see this;
Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid.
RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free.
Goons win. They keep their POCOs.
Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave.
It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.


All I can further say is that you have a lot to learn when it comes to the area of PR and running a community appropriately. If you would like to respond to me Gevlon, I’m happy to listen to your private chat in-game or on Skype.
Otherwise your future public posts and questions directed at RvB command will sadly be falling on deaf ears.


Thank you again for all the PvP content,
FallenTitan
Blue Republic CEO



Will gank for food

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-02-20 09:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
In before Gevlon meltdown... oh wait, 52 minutes too late.

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-02-20 10:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gevlon Goblin
Muhaha.

"We don't really care who we shoot" as long they are called "The Marmite Collective" and is shooting Goonswarm Federation.

Honestly, I can believe that this FallenTitan guy is just another honest mark who didn't see what's going on under his nose. After all we are talking about 8 wars over 14 months. Every other month the Goon spy (who probably has "P.C." as initials) contacted him, "Hey, I found a fun war, shall we join?", and he said "Yeah, sure!".

The Goon wars were buried under half hundred of zero-kill wars, and without a detailed list (which isn't the favorite thing "the most chilled easy-going guys") you can't notice that the other wars have no fighting and the wars with actual kills are always protecting GSF, usually against Marmite.

I have to confess that even I didn't see this coming. I made the Blue war database to prove that RvB usually don't fight that many wars and the intensity of the Marmite-Lemmings permawar is too much for them. Which is by the way true, as 2013 had 345B worth of voluntary wars and 2014 already has 158B and it's not even the end of Februrary. When I sorted the wars by value I was like "WHAT????"

However me not knowing is no excuse for RvB directors. It was their job to know. If they didn't notice, they are incompetent. If they knew and did nothing, they are traitors and scammers of newbies.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Danalee
Infernal Armada
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#7 - 2014-02-20 10:03:14 UTC
^^ How is that a meltdown?

Anyhow, RVB claiming to be only in a mutual defense pact since POCO changes and Gevlon proving that there is some real goon puppeteering of RVB going on since way before that.

Can't wait to see what comes from this discussion.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#8 - 2014-02-20 10:07:04 UTC
Danalee wrote:
^^ How is that a meltdown?


Not a meltdown. Just serious spaceship business.
Enya Dorne
#9 - 2014-02-20 10:10:25 UTC
Gevlon I am trying to comprehend the "stupid" in your last couple posts, you know if you are clearly better at managing a corporation and concerned about ISK efficiency and KB, why aren't you control of some of the largest high or low-sec entities why have all your previous endeavors not turned out so sweet?

Why do we need another thread of the same topic?
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#10 - 2014-02-20 10:17:18 UTC
Enya Dorne wrote:
Gevlon I am trying to comprehend the "stupid" in your last couple posts, you know if you are clearly better at managing a corporation and concerned about ISK efficiency and KB, why aren't you control of some of the largest high or low-sec entities why have all your previous endeavors not turned out so sweet?

Why do we need another thread of the same topic?



Cos hes only been doing it 8 weeks not 8 years? give it time before you use that particular rock. It wont work yet.

Will gank for food

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#11 - 2014-02-20 10:41:32 UTC
I've come to the conclusion from this thread that Gevlon Goblin is actually a Goon spy.

The reason: Goonswarm know, and are open about the fact, that nullsec wars are won and lost by virtue of winning the morale battle.

Now Mr Goblin's posts have no effect on the morale of the CFC's enemies. But for the Goons - these tears and this apparent meltdown of a well known player are pure gold, the nectar they thrive on.

Now Mr Goblin has (intermittently at least) demonstrated intelligence in-game, despite pretending to be a fool with threads like these. He's not fooling me, I know he has a brain. As such he must be merely feigning this stupidity, knowing that - as long as he is not uncovered - he will be entertaining Goons and hence encouraging them to play more and more, helping the CFC win its wars.

Notice that Mr Goblin has declined to take steps that would actively hurt the CFC war effort, such as purchasing Pandemic Legion some replacement Titans. Instead he has inflicted an amount of damage that, whilst it would be devastating to most corporations, would barely scratch Mynnna's wallet, much less the CFC's warchest, and in doing so, he has motivated more and more Goons to log on and laugh at his feigned idiocy.


Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#12 - 2014-02-20 10:45:58 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I've come to the conclusion from this thread that Gevlon Goblin is actually a Goon spy.

The reason: Goonswarm know, and are open about the fact, that nullsec wars are won and lost by virtue of winning the morale battle.

Now Mr Goblin's posts have no effect on the morale of the CFC's enemies. But for the Goons - these tears and this apparent meltdown of a well known player are pure gold, the nectar they thrive on.

Now Mr Goblin has (intermittently at least) demonstrated intelligence in-game, despite pretending to be a fool with threads like these. He's not fooling me, I know he has a brain. As such he must be merely feigning this stupidity, knowing that - as long as he is not uncovered - he will be entertaining Goons and hence encouraging them to play more and more, helping the CFC win its wars.

Notice that Mr Goblin has declined to take steps that would actively hurt the CFC war effort, such as purchasing Pandemic Legion some replacement Titans. Instead he has inflicted an amount of damage that, whilst it would be devastating to most corporations, would barely scratch Mynnna's wallet, much less the CFC's warchest, and in doing so, he has motivated more and more Goons to log on and laugh at his feigned idiocy.


Mr Goblin, you have been exposed as a Goon spy!


but but but!!!! thats brilliant! Im chewing my finger nails now, cant wait for the next chapter! What are we doing tomorrow night Gevlon? "tomorrow night we are going to take over the world...."

Will gank for food

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#13 - 2014-02-20 10:47:36 UTC
Sorry occurs to me that last might be lost on some people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_mPrhwpZ-8 pinky and the brain.

Will gank for food

Pete Butcher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-02-20 10:51:58 UTC
So Gevlon thinks he knows rvb better than they do themselves. In addition to knowing Cfc better than they do despite never being in either one. On does he base his claims? On some war stats mixed with insane assumptions.
In adult conversations there's an obvious rule: don't try to be an expert on things you know nothing about.

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Capt Starfox
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-02-20 11:03:09 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
words

You're such a killjoy.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet

Johan March
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-02-20 12:26:42 UTC
I wonder how long it will take for Gevlon to declare EVE University to be the scourge of EVE online and come up with pages and pages of text and excel spreadsheets and pie charts to attempt to prove his point.
Big Lynx
#17 - 2014-02-20 12:29:02 UTC
This guy definitly played too much WoW. but i am always amused about this pubie
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2014-02-20 12:56:57 UTC
This is excellent. While sitting in the hell camp Lyris explained just what the "Dunning Kruger" effect is. And here I get to see it applied.

Thanks.
Bumsicle Wedgie
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-02-20 13:08:02 UTC
Johan March wrote:
EVE University to be the scourge of EVE online.


Everyone already knows this. Keep up please.
Pete Butcher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2014-02-20 13:46:32 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
This is excellent. While sitting in the hell camp Lyris explained just what the "Dunning Kruger" effect is. And here I get to see it applied.

Thanks.

Pure goblin.

http://evernus.com - the ultimate multiplatform EVE trade tool + nullsec Alliance Market tool

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