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Need help with my career

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Syndra Harkonnen
Pain and Aagney
#1 - 2013-12-22 20:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Syndra Harkonnen
Hi, I am still new to EVE and was wondering if you could give me some career advice. I have 2 accounts, one with top notch Noctis pilot and the other one 7 days old with an alt learning caldari ships+missiles aiming to fly lets say RNI one day. What would you recommend i should train towards on the salvaging account to synchronize both accounts for dual boxing? I am quite interested in incursions and wormholes. This is probably just a noob suggestion but could I learn to fly orca, load a noctis, some exploration ship and scout ship in it and try WHs together with that RNI alt? Or what else would you recommend? Thanks!
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#2 - 2013-12-22 21:30:40 UTC
Syndra Harkonnen wrote:
to synchronize both accounts for dual boxing?


Well, you need tackle, and you need DPS. There should be a big enough hint right there. Dual boxing successfully is NOT easy though. Don't stress so much about "career" and "perfection", your goals will change over time and so will your skill queue. Eve is about having fun, not about reaching arbitrary skill X.
Haygrove
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-12-22 21:43:54 UTC
Quite possibly the best advice I can give you is that you should join a player corporation that does things such as Incursions, which you seem to be interested in. I know my corporation has people running 40 man fleets and there should be more out there. Look around and check the variety to be had and see what suits you. The amount of experience and help you can get from being in a solid corporation that fits you both in play style and personality is vital for any player in the long run.

There is a lot to learn and while the forums and other out of game resources can be helpful, there just is no substitute for someone in game helping you along the way.
Syndra Harkonnen
Pain and Aagney
#4 - 2013-12-22 22:28:54 UTC
Haygrove wrote:
Quite possibly the best advice I can give you is that you should join a player corporation that does things such as Incursions, which you seem to be interested in. I know my corporation has people running 40 man fleets and there should be more out there. Look around and check the variety to be had and see what suits you. The amount of experience and help you can get from being in a solid corporation that fits you both in play style and personality is vital for any player in the long run.

There is a lot to learn and while the forums and other out of game resources can be helpful, there just is no substitute for someone in game helping you along the way.


the thing with incursion corps is that seem to recruit players that can already fly the required ships, but i need to decide what skills to learn asap.

btw, do the incursions players use outside-corp characters or should i make a new alt so i dont have to worry about wardecs on that salvager toon?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-12-22 22:35:25 UTC
Syndra Harkonnen wrote:
Haygrove wrote:
Quite possibly the best advice I can give you is that you should join a player corporation that does things such as Incursions, which you seem to be interested in. I know my corporation has people running 40 man fleets and there should be more out there. Look around and check the variety to be had and see what suits you. The amount of experience and help you can get from being in a solid corporation that fits you both in play style and personality is vital for any player in the long run.

There is a lot to learn and while the forums and other out of game resources can be helpful, there just is no substitute for someone in game helping you along the way.


the thing with incursion corps is that seem to recruit players that can already fly the required ships, but i need to decide what skills to learn asap.

btw, do the incursions players use outside-corp characters or should i make a new alt so i dont have to worry about wardecs on that salvager toon?


I do not do incursion running but my understanding is there are several types of incursion fleets. There are Corp fleets from a single corp, Incursion Communities that have FCs creating organised fleets from within that community offering things such as ship replacement and then there are slightly more ad hoc fleets put together on the day by a FC choosing from whoever is available.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#6 - 2013-12-22 22:53:05 UTC
Seems you crave direction and
i hope you have fun
i got a hundred problems but
a second account aint one


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Saji'us
Salvage n' Reclamation Co.
#7 - 2013-12-22 22:57:39 UTC
Go to low-sec and do exploration (Data/Relic) sites.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-12-22 23:00:24 UTC
Join a corp, but do some research first as there are quite a few ***** ***** corps out there. Join a good one, preferably a rookie corp that feeds a larger entity. They will be able to help.
Haygrove
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-12-22 23:24:05 UTC
Incursion Fleets do require some amount of skills if you are to be a useful element in the fleet. Being able to spider tank or do the needed DPS is important. Also being shield or armor tanked is also very important, as fleets tend to be specific towards one or the other.

Really you need to find a corporation that will provide you the details on all of this. While there is a sizable amount of people in my corporation who work with other corporations to hold fleets at any hour, we are not dedicated to the role of being only in Incursions. We have many sections like a lot of large corporations and the ability to switch or multi function or be part of various events really helps. I am trying not to sound like a recruiter, because I am not, but really if you want to grow in Eve Online, please do look into player run corporations, especially those who are newbie friendly.

I have done most of the things in Eve Online in my time. Having started out as a null ice miner and growing into other roles as I evolved as a player. You will go through phases in your time within Eve Online where you will want to change your direction and goals and being part of a friendly group of people who encourage you to have fun is very important. There is a corporation called Eve University where I used to teach at that does offer both in game training and has out of game resources. While I am no longer with them, they are one of the corporations I would recommend looking into.

As always you can message me in game or via the forums for other information.

~ Haygrove
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#10 - 2013-12-22 23:27:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Nocti is good to have. RNI is a good goal. Pick up on the passive BC first (check wiki for the popular passive build), then work your way to Raven and lvl4 missioning. Those three ships are a good set to have for 4's, you will still use your BC often there with good skills. If two boxing, the BC would be useful flying wing for your BS, BS is not optimal for taking out frig scramblers as many lvl4's have. You'll just do missions faster, but 4's just in a fair SP'd BS is still not overly challenging. imo multi is best for mining or cap ship support, less needed for BS support (SP into drones), but useful. Also, if you use your Nocti a lot, good to put some SP into marketing imo.

As for the exploration suggestion, I'd suggest focusing on one or the other. If your true goal is RNI, then bypass exploration until you reach your SP requirements. I did exploration first, myself, and after fully SPing my T3 (and BC), switched to BS training. Good exploration SP is a long road. If your goal was a cap ship with a multi account, exploration is excellent support. But for RNI, probably a waste of time. Good quick early income though, mostly in hacking.

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Syndra Harkonnen
Pain and Aagney
#11 - 2013-12-23 00:01:03 UTC
Thanks for the answers, i figured it would be wise if I just ran missions until i learn the ropes and join incursions without worrying that screw it up. If I fly that raven and later RNI on that caldari toon, what ships would you recommend on that second account to synergize with the raven? Ideally something not click-heavy
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#12 - 2013-12-23 00:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Syndra Harkonnen wrote:
Thanks for the answers, i figured it would be wise if I just ran missions until i learn the ropes and join incursions without worrying that screw it up. If I fly that raven and later RNI on that caldari toon, what ships would you recommend on that second account to synergize with the raven? Ideally something not click-heavy
Like I said, BC + BS. Passive Drake w/ heavy missiles + drones. Your missions will have many cruisers and some frigs, then a splash of BS's. Frigs don't matter so much, but the jammers can be a pain. Drake can clear cruisers pretty quick, which can be a threat to your BS. If you used a frig, your DPS may be too low to contribute to BS popping when everything else is cleared. You can even run many lvl4's with just the Drake alone, and sometimes faster, with good SP. That's 1 BS + 1 BC + 10 drones, pretty much overkill for any lvl4. I'd maybe split the nocti and BS on the same account, sending the BC ahead to the next mission while the nocti cleans up the remaining.

Otherwise, my alternative would be a blackbird. But you want faster SP, and I know from first hand (have two chars with it) electronic warfare takes time to train to good levels. But obvious choice is Drake. Another choice would be a tackler I guess, but imo not so useful for missions. Just the BS alone is overkill for most missions. On lvl4's my Raven hardly ever gets a scratch, just a matter of speed vs comfort.

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Syndra Harkonnen
Pain and Aagney
#13 - 2013-12-23 00:32:45 UTC
What if i flew a logi instead of that BC, lets say Scythe and later Scimitar, wouldnt that be much less of a clickfest? I would still be able to clear wrecks in noctis, switch to logi and join my BS in the next mission. And the logi skills would also be useful if I ever start incursions
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-12-23 00:38:27 UTC
join a noob friendly pvp corp.
isk is pointless without fun. most pvp corps have advice on isk making. contact me in game if u want some isk making guides.
if u are interested in pvp i am also a good person to chat to.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#15 - 2013-12-23 00:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Omega Sunset
Syndra Harkonnen wrote:
What if i flew a logi instead of that BC, lets say Scythe and later Scimitar, wouldnt that be much less of a clickfest? I would still be able to clear wrecks in noctis, switch to logi and join my BS in the next mission. And the logi skills would also be useful if I ever start incursions
For missions, you can build your BS to hold at 0 damage, really it's mostly overkill even with the lower DPS, while heavily shield tanked. More DPS means faster missions. Never lost a BS on a mission. Never had to retreat my BS from a mission. Your BS isn't going to be a clickfest, it's quite boring actually, especially if you run stable while it sucks up damage. If you run more aggressively, you still wont hit frigs and cruisers as well as a Drake, yet you can still do good damage against BS' with that drake. Now, doing things beyond missioning, WH's or something, logi could be useful. That's beyond my expertise though, I just mission, hack, EWAR and trade. In the greater sense though, you fly and do whatever you want in this game. But as far as mission speed vs training time, BS + BC + Drones seems appropriate for the activities you inquire on. I'm sure it can all be argued down to a science, but you fly what you want. If you want to logi, then you logi, it's all good. If I felt the need to multi for missioning, you'd might even catch me using my hookbill as BS escort, even if just for entertainment factor, really fun ship.

And you are speaking of 0.5 lvl4 missions, right? I take it "I want an RNI" as that. Low or null, I'd sub the Drake for something else with more pvp ability.

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