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Android client?

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Malrock
Space noobs forever
Mind the Gap.
#1 - 2011-11-03 19:24:46 UTC
There are plenty of game moments when one does not need a full blown graphical client, but radher would benefit from strepped down client that would contain activities with basic representation. I think EVE would greatly benefit from Android client.

There are now plenty of Android tablets out in the wild (and seems more are coming every month) in addition to whole army of phones.

Basic actions that one could do with such client;


  • Market operations
  • Corporation/Alliance management
  • Basic industry including PI, POS, Mining etc
  • Social aspects (text cats, voice chats)


I dont think it will be suitable for PVP but for rest of it i think it could work just fine. For space view it could just use black bacground and the box/circle elements without real ship graphics (UI you see if you zoom out to max possible view) - this with overview should work just fine.

What you all think?
Emperor Salazar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-03 19:29:54 UTC
Use Splashtop Remote Desktop client.

It works just fine for the things you want to be able to do.
Malrock
Space noobs forever
Mind the Gap.
#3 - 2011-11-03 19:42:14 UTC
Yes. But remote client still needs a full PC running a real client while small trimmed down Android client would not, thus you can also use it on the move, in park, at beach, in the *cough* boring meeting *cough* Twisted
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#4 - 2011-11-04 03:13:59 UTC
Too much work to do, to make something that isn't of high importance to the game, and will not increase revenue, so it's not going to happen, I think.

BTW there is another problem, of Android OS and it's versions. Only newest smartphones and tablets have new OS, and manufacturers don't bother to upgrade OS on devices even several months old, they want customer to throw away old device and buy new one.
Also, every Android device manufacturer modifies OS slightly for it's phones and tablets. How much , and whether it can affect complex application like MMO client or not, I don't know, but together with the above it creates a nightmare for support, with hundreds of different Android devices running various Android OS versions.

From the point of support, iPad is much better target. One vendor and one OS, where even old device has upgrade to newest OS. But anyway, it's not gonna happen.
Tyme Xandr
Weyl Manufacturing
#5 - 2011-11-04 07:48:35 UTC
Isnt android programming essentially java? Shouldnt be too difficult to make a condensed program for the things OP requested especially since CCP can access their own servers.

These mobile devices are surprisingly simple to code.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#6 - 2011-11-04 09:40:49 UTC
CCP is behind the times. There isn't even a a mobile version of EveGate or EveOnline websites. People are going to ask for the feature because it is useful.

I would suggest keeping the chat features a priority. That adds interaction, the basis of any MMO. From there, you should be able to do everything you can do in a station.

PC-to-phone voice-chat and evemail alerts on your phone, anyone?

Long-term, there should be an Android version of the Eve client. This is very far away, but the technology is fast approaching. So are adoption rates.
M1AU
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-04 11:56:59 UTC
As Obsidiana said, CCP is behind the times.
Even if it's not exactly comparable, but at least Vendetta Online, the other space mmo which is much smaller than EVE but has only two developers behind it, already released a full blown Android client! It works on Nvidia Tegra platforms and they even offer native Mac and Linux clients! That's what I call great game design from the beginning on a technical point of view.

An Android client would greatly increase the value of EVE itself.
Emperor Salazar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-04 13:39:50 UTC
Malrock wrote:
Yes. But remote client still needs a full PC running a real client while small trimmed down Android client would not, thus you can also use it on the move, in park, at beach, in the *cough* boring meeting *cough* Twisted


You can remote desktop over the internet just fine. So if you have wifi or a 3G/4G device, you can make it happen quite easily.
Malrock
Space noobs forever
Mind the Gap.
#9 - 2011-11-07 18:34:42 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Malrock wrote:
Yes. But remote client still needs a full PC running a real client while small trimmed down Android client would not, thus you can also use it on the move, in park, at beach, in the *cough* boring meeting *cough* Twisted


You can remote desktop over the internet just fine. So if you have wifi or a 3G/4G device, you can make it happen quite easily.


I did buy Splash top, at first it was great but eve right click menus are 100% impossible to use, i own Android Transformer and it has a touch pad mouse on dock, app does not use it so i had to go back to laptop and do all the right click stuff on it instead of tablet - so, splash top may give you limited usability but in space and through right click operations it will drive you nuts very quick.

Seloena
Mighty Orca Inc
#10 - 2011-11-14 12:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Seloena
I would like to remind all of you small episode that have had place not so long time ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNTUEUr3C1s

We don't need full client on our phones or tablets. (I cant imagine me playing EvE on Smartfon O.o)

ArrowWe need 2D app that will allow us do things in easy windows/tabs almost like in browser:

  • Market operations (based on station you are in)
  • Manage skill queue
  • Chat with corp (should be also in EveGate)
  • Eve Mail (like on EveGate)
  • Corporation/Alliance management
  • View some content that are now available via API
  • Industry jobs (producing/researching)
  • POS managing?


ArrowNo moving your character from station! Any action that will allow you move out will need almost all game mechanics! So everything what you can do on your phone/tablet would be based on your current position ingame!

Arrow Planetary Interaction

  • PI manage

would be nice thing and tablets are ready for this, but this need full 3D view of planet, so i think this is out of list.

ArrowWhy its not so hard to do?
Its A LOT OF JOB to do such thing. I know that coz im working with such things everyday.
But huge amount of job has been done already!
New API and stuff we have on EveGate shows that. Most of features we need on mobile App need http requests (including chat and marketing).
I thing bigger problem would be with making server side system that would manage with http <-> game database

ArrowOther games that made that step:
Guys from Blizzard made that step. You cant play full game on tablet, but you can take your phone and manage your market, armory and other stuff. WOW Armory
Chatting
Guild manage
Market
I dont play WOW, but this look cool. Would like to have such thing for EvE

For me? I don't need full game, but i would love to be able to talk with friends or manage my orders when sitting in train or during job break. So everything that could be done via http requests.

Fly safe.
Flaming Lies
Combat Engineering
#11 - 2011-11-17 10:37:45 UTC
Yes Please

Currently the only thing stopping me from getting rid of my old Notebook and getting a Android Tablet for the Road is EVE....
Seloena's Proposal is solid for this.



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Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#12 - 2011-12-12 08:38:02 UTC
Fully endorse Seloena's post. This is exactly what EVE would need to expand beyond the PC at home. Welcome to 2011 :)
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-12-12 09:21:25 UTC
I think that attempting to port eve to a system with an entirely different instruction set will require constructing an entirely new codebase, and I think since you can quite adequately run remote clients on your desktop with really not that much fuss, its a horrible waste of developer time.

They canned the linux client, and thats not even on a different IS, what the devil makes you think they'd give even one single solitary **** about writing an android client, and quite right, too.

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Onyx47
U-208
#14 - 2011-12-12 11:03:35 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
I think that attempting to port eve to a system with an entirely different instruction set will require constructing an entirely new codebase, and I think since you can quite adequately run remote clients on your desktop with really not that much fuss, its a horrible waste of developer time.

They canned the linux client, and thats not even on a different IS, what the devil makes you think they'd give even one single solitary **** about writing an android client, and quite right, too.


That's why nobody is asking for full client. And yes, Android client will never happen, nor will Linux client (unless M$ decides to feel charitable and releases full DirectX specs and/or source code to the public... fat chance at that).

+1 for basic chat/mail/market client. Alternatively, allow this from EVE Gate IF the character you're logging in with is docked to avoid any exploits + give us a proper mobile version of the site.

In PvP there are no winners, only losers. The trick is to be less of a loser than the guy you're shooting at.

Seloena
Mighty Orca Inc
#15 - 2012-03-08 12:12:30 UTC
I know it was little time ago, but in last CSM summit they was talking a little about going into portable systems:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3377

Still big hope it will knock our doors in near future.
Aethlyn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-08 13:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Aethlyn
Nestara Aldent wrote:
BTW there is another problem, of Android OS and it's versions. Only newest smartphones and tablets have new OS, and manufacturers don't bother to upgrade OS on devices even several months old, they want customer to throw away old device and buy new one.
Also, every Android device manufacturer modifies OS slightly for it's phones and tablets. How much , and whether it can affect complex application like MMO client or not, I don't know, but together with the above it creates a nightmare for support, with hundreds of different Android devices running various Android OS versions.

From the point of support, iPad is much better target. One vendor and one OS, where even old device has upgrade to newest OS. But anyway, it's not gonna happen.


It's far less of a problem than you might think. It's actually rather easy to target a older version of android and then having the app work on all systems being newer. There are only some small features you can't use in the oldest versions, but even the cheapest tablets will run at least Android 2.x (more likely 3.x) so there's lots of space to use. iOS would be far less likely to be a viable platform in my eyes, due to their restrictions regarding payments, subscriptions etc. and I'm not really sure if such an app would be allowed by them (as you have to pay a subscription fee and they aren't seeing a single cent of it).

Also, revenues, they could sell the mobile client for a small fee like 3-4 $. Don't think that would drive people off who are really interested (and own a credit card for Google-Checkout; which I lack right now).

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Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-08 17:17:27 UTC
The answer to this has to be that any move towards Eve-Mobile must be available for everyone, not just one OS, its got to be for everyone (web based, not app based) and anything short of that is unfair. It doesn't matter what you do, if you launch on only one platform it will make every player who doesn't have one feel like they are being cheated by CCP, because unlike in WoW, big important things in Eve can show up on zero notice and saying 'You must have a phone worth this much to catch up' is bullshit.

If it's web based, then I say absolutely yes, go for it. If it also has an API that developers can build apps that tap into it ? Also fine.
But one app on one platform sucks.

Web based means everyone who plays eve would at a minimum be able to use it anywhere that they could use the full client, just more convenient, and a fair few of of us could of course log in anywhere.
Seloena
Mighty Orca Inc
#18 - 2012-03-09 09:05:26 UTC
Valea Silpha wrote:

If it's web based, then I say absolutely yes, go for it. If it also has an API that developers can build apps that tap into it ? Also fine.
But one app on one platform sucks.


I think this is impossible because of security reasons. If you will allow changing market orders and skill queue to be modify via API, than it will be equal to CCP putting "Bots are allowed in the game".

But i agree, that f.e. extending EvE gate by adding there features that could be available out of EvE client would be cool idea.
Most of mobile phones can explore standard pages. This will still make the risk, but not much bigger than in client - making autoclicker for web is easier than for client coz web text can be parsed.

Also actual technologies allow to create webs only for mobile phones (1 page looks different on normal browser and on mobile phone).

But im sure the main problem is the security.
Seloena
Mighty Orca Inc
#19 - 2012-03-24 21:13:56 UTC