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Hacking Mini-Game 4 Months Later
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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-21 10:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Omnathious Deninard
As 4 months have past what is your view on the hacking mini-game.

(For comments on loot spew post here.)

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-10-21 15:38:44 UTC
I don't mind it quite as much as I first did, but I've also largely stopped doing it. At this point, I see it mainly as a mechanism of slowing down covops frigs enough so I can shoot at them; the Sisters gear is going to be worth more than the loot spew anyhow.

I wouldn't say it's a failed mechanic; to say that would imply it had a goal to fail in the first place and I've never been clear on what that might have been. But I would say it's a peculiar thing to pop up in the middle of my spreadsheets in space game.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-10-21 16:46:53 UTC
as with loot spew, the problem with the mini-game is very much its simplicity. there is hardly any thought involved; once you are past the first few tries, you know exactly what you have to do to maximize your chances to win and every click you have to do becomes one too many. it's like playing mine sweeper with three mines on the field.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Thanos The Mad-Titan
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-10-21 16:58:48 UTC
I don't mind it
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#5 - 2013-10-21 17:19:03 UTC
Did a one week hacking round trip through 0.0. I will not engage in this feature ever again. It is dull, dumb, boring, RSI inducing and it hurts my eye sight. Significantly!
Julius Priscus
#6 - 2013-10-21 19:05:17 UTC
I used to enjoy hacking and the other mini professions..

now its just a waste of skill points in its present carnation. I regret skilling up them mini profession skills to 5 for now.


hmm dejavu
DSpite Culhach
#7 - 2013-10-22 03:03:50 UTC
I actually moved a toon to null, shoved a PLEX to double train, and got decent hacking skills to give it a go.

I think the way the computer memory grid gets populated need tweaking, it just does not feel right. One minute it's like I'm breaking into a warehouse to steal the Holy Grail, and discover that the security guy tried hiding it next to the door in the umbrella stand thinking "they won't possibly look there". The next time I find zero security everywhere, and then find 10 machine gun nests surrounding the only room left unchecked, because I did not expect them hiding it in the toilets.

The loot explosion ... is what turned me away. It just drove me insane. Took a while, but it did. If you have to do it over and over and over, you will get RSI and eyestrain. To me, anything that requires more flying and button clicking work then flying a Noctis or a Logi ship, better have a damn good reason to make me do it, and even though I was probably just loot unlucky, I gave up on it. Yes, scanning optimizes your chances, it also means that you KNOW something decent got away just because you zigged-instead-of-zagged towards the wrong can ... frustrating.

I'd go back to having to fight my way out on a failed hack if it meant higher loot chances, or something similar anyway.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Enduros
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-10-22 06:04:20 UTC
The loot spew is the worst mechanic in this game. It doesn't fit with anything else. With the reward being as crap as it already is why must the cans float out and disappear? I don't like fruid ninja.
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-10-23 01:33:59 UTC
Most people have already said both blow large uneven chunks, but since it is a dev baby it is not going anywhere.Cry
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#10 - 2013-10-23 02:10:43 UTC
Every person who replies that they hate it are doing it solo. I do it in a group and it pays quite well. Most I have made so far is 375 mil an hour. Average is about 225 mil an hour.

But then that's the problem with it, if it was feasible to do the very best sites solo everyone would be doing it, making a billion an hour plus.

So people do the best sites they can solo and its too much work and not lucrative enough. Bummer.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-10-23 03:48:27 UTC
Dislike intensely, and have stopped running them.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#12 - 2013-10-25 10:12:33 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
As 4 months have past what is your view on the hacking mini-game.

(For comments on loot spew post here.)


Didn't think I was going to like it - tried very hard over last 4 months but for me it's a fail.

Removal of AI rats has increased exploration which has destroyed loot values. More and more sites are left to rot - even by those that find the hacking mini-game 'enjoyable' .
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#13 - 2013-10-25 10:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Dad
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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-26 14:00:33 UTC
After doing exploration for a week, I gave up. If you're exploring non-stop for over an hour, your finger begins to hurt from all that clicking.
Buzz Madullier
The Essence of Nike
#15 - 2013-10-27 00:23:52 UTC
I talked about my frustrations with it here

I don't mind the mini-game, but I think there are too many random factors to the whole process now.

A) Scanning down sigs are random on what they are
B) The loot in the cans at a site are random
C) The mini-game is random (sometimes with back to back anti-virus and ****, or the system core(end) 2 clicks away from start).
D) The cans that spew out are random
E) They spew out in random directions
F) They spew out at random speeds
G) What the cans have in them are random even though sometimes you scan 12 different unique salvage types in one can you still get junk items from part and material cans.

So much randomness, very frustrating.
Buzz Madullier
The Essence of Nike
#16 - 2013-10-27 00:30:49 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Every person who replies that they hate it are doing it solo. I do it in a group and it pays quite well. Most I have made so far is 375 mil an hour. Average is about 225 mil an hour.

But then that's the problem with it, if it was feasible to do the very best sites solo everyone would be doing it, making a billion an hour plus.

So people do the best sites they can solo and its too much work and not lucrative enough. Bummer.


I call bullshit. Almost all the hacking site cans can be done solo and pretty damn quickly. The only time I might miss a few drops is from Relic sites where they have like 12 pieces to them. Though I almost every time get the T2 salvage at least. Almost all the BPC's that drop are the same and useless. I think I have 12 BPC's for Micro Jump Drives and 10+ Reactive Armor Hardeners, the small and medium ancillary boosters/repairs are nice though.

I make about 20-50mil per run I do and that is about in an hour, but I can't see people making much more than that without getting really lucky drops. I highly doubt that each person is making 225 mil per hour on average. That is just ridiculous, unless you are saying that is the amount split with the group .
Yolo
Unknown Nation
#17 - 2013-10-28 09:12:53 UTC
Hacking is a joke. I cleared 4 sites in 0.0 and hauled in a whopping 85 400 Isk worth of loot.
Risk without reward.

Worthless, pointless and stupid.

- since 2003, bitches
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#18 - 2013-10-28 13:03:28 UTC
I used to do a lot of these sites and had trained up the skills necessary to fit the T2 modules, which I now consider to be a waste of several days training.

Being an older player with arthritis I find the new 'hacking minigame' quite painful after a while.

To be honest, how it can even be called a 'minigame' is quite beyond me!

At least before I could scan down the site, hack quickly based on my character skill and GUARANTEE that I got all the loot - however much it was worth.

Now it is just takes to much time for not enough reward.

Just my opinion but pretty sure it is one many explorers would agree with.

CCP need to roll this feature back or ensure that the cans dropped can be picked up by the sole explorer without the current clickfest.

My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :)
Enthropic
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-10-28 15:26:58 UTC
Nam Dnilb wrote:
Did a one week hacking round trip through 0.0. I will not engage in this feature ever again. It is dull, dumb, boring, RSI inducing and it hurts my eye sight. Significantly!


tried to think how I should word it, but this one pretty much sums up for me how I feel about the minigame and loot spew mechanic.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-10-28 22:59:02 UTC
click, click, click, click, click x 25, yea it's fun.

I can't play that part of the game. It's just to lame.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
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