Wormholes

most are empty (unless you count one POS owned by a 15 man corp that seems to never log in)

With our C5 static we see a number of empty systems. What will start limiting the number is the effect/size/static your looking for.

Send me a mail noting some specifics your looking for and will keep an eye our for you. Anytime we can increase the population of class 5 Space the better.

Deep wormhole space is dead. C1's are the new battleground

from my experience C4/C4 is the deadest of dead spaces. lol

We must be odd then. With our C5/C4, we are finding targets. It does involve going down the chain (some), and there is quite a bit of empty space, but its not THAT hard to find targets around. I have seen quite the empty C2 chain as well.

When we lived in a C4/C3, we had quite a few fights come to our C4 itself. Of course, being in a C4, I know probably everyone was thirsty for a fight when they rolled in and saw, "Oh, look, this one is colonized and has like a **** ton of POS's for a C4." However, there were a number of groups that came from C4/C4s, and when we were hanging out with Trimen Explorations (who lived in a C2/C4/HS), we routinely would find stuff to shoot at in their C4 connection. That fact, in turn with my directors, is what convinced me a C5/C4 was viable for a PVP corp.

I was EXTREMELY against the C5/C4, but my directors held out and persisted. I had the notion that is tossed around forums a lot, "Its all empty." I've been in empty C2 chains that went on for days. Its all in the roll of the hole. We have found a number of targets in our chain out from our C5, and we haven't even started actively rolling for PVP yet in our new home (it is coming, OOOHHHH is it coming). Though, I admit, C2 chains usually have more pew than higher chains and can be quite entertaining...

I'm finding the longer the chain, the better for finding targets in general. If you have you everyone in facebook chat, paying attention in corp chat, and those in game on TS and not AFK, you can usually get quite the batphone going when that tengu fleet leaves their POS and goes running sites....

There's other opportunities out of a C5 anyway. Those PVP corps rolling into you will bring you a random fight. We had a K162 from null earlier WITH CARRIERS RATTING. Unfortunately, when we found it, it was between our EU and US prime, and we didn't have numbers present to bring one down. I'm hoping they are still there tonight or someone else is out with something shiny. We're already figuring out whose flying the Hero Dread if we tackle one.

Anyway, TL;DR - C4 space has its empty places, but we're finding kills here. You just have to push deeper and harder with your prober to get there....

Rall - While we did get a few fights from our C4 static while in the C4->C4, the majority came, like you said, from down the chain. Sometimes we'd get a K162 into us and get a fight from it, but after having countless uninhabited C4->C4->C4->C4->C4 chains, we eventually gave up hope for finding PvP. C2s and C3s on the other hand are wonderful. It's where we find most of our PvP and I think I get the most excited when I find C2 statics on C2 statics.

I think the chances of finding an empty C4 chain are higher than a C2 chain since you can find daytrippers pretty easily because of the k-space statics. Also the lower barrier to entry on C1-C3 invites more people in. Longer chains for PvP makes sense since you have a higher chance of finding someone when there're more places to look.

I think all WH classes have empty space, it just feels like C4s have more than other classes.

TL; DR: I'm not looking hard enough

Fair enough on that. However, lately, it has really seemed like we find nightly stuff in our static. Last night resulted in an Iteron V kill and being blue balled by bears who were extremely risk averse.

I think I may start some sort of forum post as a study on activity level in C4-C4 chains.

My suspicion is that C4s are being colonized now. C5s are generally places cap pilot-capable corps live for escalation money. C4s are generally not easy to invade, offer good isk in different ways, and let a starting corp avoid having dreadnoughts randomly dropped on their POS's or seeded into to burn them out. Its why we chose a c4/C3 as our starting point--not because we were risk averse, but to grant us some protection until we got off the ground. C4s also avoid a lot of drama of the lower holes, which are now being hunted regularly by several PVP groups. Its creating pressure on the prey, and some may be instinctively moving to a new ground with less predators and a richer food source. Not to mention, a lot of those corps who started out in C3s, and C1s, are moving up into a higher class home for money making and to farm a static.

As a result, its quite possible C4 space is being slowly populated. Keep in mind, scanning changes have made competition over isk sources more prevalent and increased PVP encounters.

Yes. When we founded -EOL, our Europeans (who are quite Pro) and our AUS got all the kills. US TZ NEVER found kills unless we just went probing/scouting/hunting like mad. Eventually, we started just chain rolling over and over and that finally produced some results.. Then about a month and a half later it flip flopped, and US TZ got obscene amounts of kills.... However, I do notice, even now, its easier to find random kills in c4s or anywhere late Euro/Aus than US.

An Australian TZ friend of mine suggested that because US TZ numbers tend to be higher (fact, yes, no?), that there are more players in closer quarters on and so there are more conflicts. Not sure how accurate that is, but it would explain a lot.

C4 space and those C2/C4 systems are always busy around 12:00-4:00 eve time.

I hope to see all of you C5 corps shortly. It's an adventure!!