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Rails, C3's, and mah Proteus.

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Mushi Sushi
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-10-11 01:39:07 UTC
I live in a C5>C3 and am currently using this fit to solo the Fortification Frontier anoms, but cant effectively solo the other 3. I was wondering what i should do to improve my fit. Problems arise in the other sites when i'm webbed to ridiculously low speeds, neuted out, swarmed by frigates, or all three at the same time. I'm assuming that the simple solution is to just throw isk at it, but was wondering if there was some obvious mistake being made with the way i fit it.


[Proteus, Railteus]
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Capacitor Battery II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-11 02:54:10 UTC
Get a Tengu.

Don't ban me, bro!

Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-11 03:24:51 UTC
I believe Cap rechargers are better to use over a Cap battery in regards to being nueted. also see if you can get similar resists to passive hardeners over active to help reduce the cap you are guzzling, thus reducing the nueting issue a little more.

Though i am not sure if you are soloing the sites in the C5 or C3... or trying both but the Tengu does seem to have the edge in the solo department

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#4 - 2013-10-11 04:08:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
I believe Cap rechargers are better to use over a Cap battery in regards to being nueted. also see if you can get similar resists to passive hardeners over active to help reduce the cap you are guzzling, thus reducing the nueting issue a little more.

Though i am not sure if you are soloing the sites in the C5 or C3... or trying both but the Tengu does seem to have the edge in the solo department


Have you done WHs before? Pretty sure no Subcap can solo a C5 (not even sure about a Capital can do them).


PS, batteries are better than recharges for cruisers and below assuming they can fit, not only do they give you a bigger buffer but you get better recharge rate as well. I would personally say that tracking is your issue (crappy Rail tracking) , so more webs for you.

I fly a Legion and I can do all but 2 C3 sites in it (T2 fit + faction web) and the fit below is based on that. I have however not tested it.

[Proteus, C3 - Untested]
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Capacitor Battery II
10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier (Maybe a Recharge if cap is an issue)
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Warrior II x5

PS. Avoid hitting triggers if you Tank is not that great. Also If you are fighting a BS Upholder try and get an orbit under 15km. Under that range they do 0 dps (you can orbit the 2 in a Database with no reps running at all). The Other BS's its more like 10km depending on your speed.
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-10-11 04:46:26 UTC
lol i know you cannot solo C5's. I wasn't sure whether he was trying to solo the C5 as well though. If he was. That would be most of his problem

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Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#6 - 2013-10-11 08:40:00 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
lol i know you cannot solo C5's. I wasn't sure whether he was trying to solo the C5 as well though. If he was. That would be most of his problem


Not sure if you would get away from a C5 at all.

Also Frontier sites are C3 :)
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#7 - 2013-10-11 09:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeway84
Is the problem with neuts or just having trouble applying dps?
I tested a brutix for C1 sites and it runs them fine with cap battery and tracking computer and ab,
I can see if i can link the fit when i get home from work, see if its something you could adapt from it to work on the proteus?
Does the proteus do well against battleships with rails? I never tried pve proteus so im kind of curious Smile
i think it also had a tracking enhancer in 1 of the lowslots.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-11 13:05:53 UTC
So many things wrong with that fit I wouldnt know where to begin.
Mushi Sushi
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-10-11 13:14:01 UTC
As the title says, it's for C3 sites. I live in a C5 with a static C3. Tracking is an issue for frigates, but the cruisers take enough damage. The tracking is not god awful due to the tracking subsystem, but still not ideal. For example, in the Oruze site, i'm neuted and webbed so heavily that i cannot burn to the sentries in time to hit them, and with the incoming DPS and neuts, i'm capped out before i kill a cruiser. Now i could warp in and warp out and all that nonsense, or i could just go do another Frontier. I'm looking to improve my fit to prevent myself from having to do that.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2013-10-11 13:19:19 UTC
Oruze are ****, run Outposts and Solar Cells instead

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Blumpkin Fairy
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-10-11 14:22:40 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
lol i know you cannot solo C5's. I wasn't sure whether he was trying to solo the C5 as well though. If he was. That would be most of his problem


Confirming a Vargur can solo c5 sites
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#12 - 2013-10-11 15:16:37 UTC  |  Edited by: TXG SYNC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Have you done WHs before? Pretty sure no Subcap can solo a C5 (not even sure about a Capital can do them).


Gut-check: go watch this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-RaBU4Kos8

Then go save 4Bn for the ship and 3Bn for the implants:

[Nightmare, C5 Soloist]

Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 400
Large Micro Jump Drive

Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Conflagration L
Republic Fleet Large Proton Smartbomb
Republic Fleet Large Proton Smartbomb

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Crystal Alpha
Crystal Beta
Crystal Gamma
Crystal Delta
Crystal Epsilon
Crystal Omega
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-706
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-806
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-906
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1006


Possible to solo a C5? Absolutely. Video demonstrates how.
Is it a good idea? Is it reasonable? Is it possible without having a cloaky hauler drop off a cargo container of cap boosters for you in advance? Different questions entirely :)

EDIT: re-watching the video now before the soundtrack gets pulled. I really enjoy Lindsey Sterling, and I'm man enough to admit it.

Oh, and on-topic? You can pretty much solo anom in a C3 with 700DPS+ of tank plus 300DPS+ gank; if you want to ensure you can do it without warping off, make sure you can hit a solid 800DPS+ for the final wave of Fortification Frontier Stronghold and you'll do fine. I partially ran a FFS in a Scorpion yesterday with terrible DPS (~300 between drones & cruise missiles) and far less tank. It's not hard, it's just time-consuming, and I ran out of time!

And if you can keep up your speed and transversal, you can skimp big-time on the tank. That's just harder than "sit in one place and tank all the things in a battleship".

EDIT2: Renamed fit.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#13 - 2013-10-11 15:58:38 UTC
Still wondering why people bother with C3''s....
Go big C4+ or go home.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-10-11 16:02:46 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
Still wondering why people bother with C3''s....
Go big C4+ or go home.


But you already went home.

And he lives in a C5, so he goes big too.

Anyhow, there were a number of issues with that fit. Meta guns on a T3? Ewww. It wasn't even cap stable with everything running (you need to be at least cap stable to deal with neuting in WH sites).

Here's and adjustment that IMO would handle the sites better. It is still a Proteus so you will likely make better isk farming the C3 farmers than killing sleepers with it.

[Proteus, Railteus copy]

Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Capacitor Power Relay II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-10-11 17:53:09 UTC
Blumpkin Fairy wrote:
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
lol i know you cannot solo C5's. I wasn't sure whether he was trying to solo the C5 as well though. If he was. That would be most of his problem


Confirming a Vargur can solo c5 sites



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Tarmaniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-10-11 22:55:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarmaniel
Mushi Sushi wrote:
As the title says, it's for C3 sites. I live in a C5 with a static C3. Tracking is an issue for frigates, but the cruisers take enough damage. The tracking is not god awful due to the tracking subsystem, but still not ideal. For example, in the Oruze site, i'm neuted and webbed so heavily that i cannot burn to the sentries in time to hit them, and with the incoming DPS and neuts, i'm capped out before i kill a cruiser. Now i could warp in and warp out and all that nonsense, or i could just go do another Frontier. I'm looking to improve my fit to prevent myself from having to do that.


Rule 1 of doing C3s in a cruiser: Only EM/therm resists matter. All exp/kin damage from sleepers comes from missiles. Sleeper battleship missiles have 330m explosion radii and 60m/sec explosion velocities. If you are moving, they don't do any damage. Even if you are webbed in place, they still only do 33% damage. Also, missiles cannot wreck, so if your tank does break, it will break predictably and let you warp off. If you're EM/Therm weak you can explode instantly to a couple of wrecking shots. Explosive hardener and EANM are wastes of a slot, put EM or Therm hardeners in there.

Second, use drones, not railguns. Seriously, just use this fit (you need Geno CA-1 and CA-2 or a PG implant to fit it):

[New Setup 1]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge M
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Expanded Probe Launcher II,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Drones_Active=Ogre II,4
Drones_Inactive=Hobgoblin II,15
Drones_Inactive=Hammerhead II,5

It's much more DPS than that railgun fit and doesn't have to deal with crappy railgun tracking. Use the ancillary armor rep on waves with four webbing frigs to keep your tank up until you kill them off and can resume speed tanking. If you don't have multiple webs on you, you don't need it to maintain tank. Comes with a salvager and tractor beam so you can loot everything in the site while you're shooting it, no need to come back. Probe launcher to get you out of the C3 if the hole is closed, this basically has everything.

If you're worried about drone aggro, remember that sleepers will NOT switch to your drones unless there are frigs active. You will never lose your Ogres or Hammerheads, as long as you don't deploy them when there are still frigs alive. Use Hobgoblins and the blasters to kill all frigs, then switch to Ogres or Hammerheads to kill everything else. The frigs will occasionally switch to your Hobgoblins, and sometimes you can't scoop fast enough to avoid losing one. That's why you have 10 spares.

100mn AB looks dumb but it works great, maintains your speed tank against multiple webs and when only battleships are left, it gets you to blaster range ASAP, at which point you obviously turn it off.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-10-12 07:27:35 UTC
Tarmaniel wrote:
...proteus drone fit and other cool info about whs I didn't know...


Hate to hijack the thread, but is there a Loki fit that would do well for C3 sites?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Tarmaniel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-10-12 12:53:18 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Tarmaniel wrote:
...proteus drone fit and other cool info about whs I didn't know...


Hate to hijack the thread, but is there a Loki fit that would do well for C3 sites?


Yes, but since Loki has no drone subsystem to conserve high slots, the DPS you can do is going to be very dependent on how much you need/want the probe launcher/salvager/tractor beam on there. Armor tanked Loki is absurdly effective (and very cheap) for C3 sites because of the racial EM/Therm bonuses, but the armor subsystem costs you a high slot so you have to give up one of those three. (prober/salvager/tractor) Shield tanked Loki can get all three on there, but it's expensive.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#19 - 2013-10-12 15:21:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ExookiZ
all 4 marauders can solo c5s w/ bastion.

It has been a very long time since I ran C3s, but if frigs are an issue dont bother trying to up your tracking. just either web them or use drones.

You probably dont need to throw too much money into it, but even the first step of faction provides substantial overall improvements over t2 without costing too much, and yeah the meta 4 guns are an issue, definately need T2. You can probably get away with using energized paltings instead of hardeners if you get imperial navy or equivalent. save you a lot of cap.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-10-12 16:09:00 UTC
Tarmaniel wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Tarmaniel wrote:
...proteus drone fit and other cool info about whs I didn't know...


Hate to hijack the thread, but is there a Loki fit that would do well for C3 sites?


Yes, but since Loki has no drone subsystem to conserve high slots, the DPS you can do is going to be very dependent on how much you need/want the probe launcher/salvager/tractor beam on there. Armor tanked Loki is absurdly effective (and very cheap) for C3 sites because of the racial EM/Therm bonuses, but the armor subsystem costs you a high slot so you have to give up one of those three. (prober/salvager/tractor) Shield tanked Loki can get all three on there, but it's expensive.


I'm just finishing training he skills for a loki. Armor tank would be great. I don't know anything about fitting t3s yet though. I have an alt in a sb cloaked in the whs when I'm running sites, so I don't usually fit a probe launcher, salvage, or tractor. I just come back in dessy to clean up. Can you hook me up with a fit for it?

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

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