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GM Team Update Bans Most Scamming

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-09-09 16:30:21 UTC
So I noticed there was a small update to the EVE terms of service, noted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-online-terms-of-service-update-1/

No comment thread was provided. This new "update" adds this:

Quote:
You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.


This effectively bans most scamming and appears to be entirely unwarranted and an intrusion into the sandbox, made without comment or justification. Of course, this may be poorly worded and intended to address a specific problem, in which case I think a discussion of the subject would produce a much better result - after all, this will be cited by every scamee in a petition and if it doesn't mean what it says, some new GM will quickly make a mistake. As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.

If it does mean what it says - the GM team has decided to ban most scamming ("why yes, I'm a representative of NC. and can rent you Scalding Pass, pay no attention to the part of the game that tells you I'm in Goonwaffe") I'd like an explanation as to why such a massive intrusion into one of the core features of EVE was warranted. I mean, if you actually get scammed by someone claiming to represent one of the EVE [b]NPC Corporations[/u] you deserve everything that's coming to you.

This appears to be the GM team simply giving in to the masses of people who just spam unjustified petitions. I don't want to get ahead of the facts without a GM or CCP response, but this clearly warrants one.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-09-09 16:32:23 UTC
What the christ?

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-09-09 16:33:37 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
What the christ?

Nice signature, petitioned.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-09-09 16:33:49 UTC
Lying banned in Eve. Who would have ever thought they'd see the day? I can understand not representing yourself as CCP, but this is crazy.

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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-09-09 16:34:25 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
So I noticed there was a small update to the EVE terms of service, noted here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/eve-online-terms-of-service-update-1/

No comment thread was provided. This new "update" adds this:

Quote:
You may not impersonate or falsely present yourself to be a representative of another player, group of players, character or NPC entity.


This effectively bans most scamming and appears to be entirely unwarranted and an intrusion into the sandbox, made without comment or justification. Of course, this may be poorly worded and intended to address a specific problem, in which case I think a discussion of the subject would produce a much better result - after all, this will be cited by every scamee in a petition and if it doesn't mean what it says, some new GM will quickly make a mistake. As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.

If it does mean what it says - the GM team has decided to ban most scamming ("why yes, I'm a representative of NC. and can rent you Scalding Pass, pay no attention to the part of the game that tells you I'm in Goonwaffe") I'd like an explanation as to why such a massive intrusion into one of the core features of EVE was warranted. I mean, if you actually get scammed by someone claiming to represent one of the EVE [b]NPC Corporations[/u] you deserve everything that's coming to you.

This appears to be the GM team simply giving in to the masses of people who just spam unjustified petitions. I don't want to get ahead of the facts without a GM or CCP response, but this clearly warrants one.


Get them in corp, make them move, shoot them, kick them.

No longer a scam because you were indeed a recruiter sicne you did make them join. Too bad Goonwaffe had to do a purge of it's rank just as the guy arrived...

Common you guys are the scam artists. You can go around that rule too.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#6 - 2013-09-09 16:35:09 UTC
Stealth nerf of the century
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#7 - 2013-09-09 16:36:55 UTC
I love how policies get changed so quickly after certain IRL events...

...

Lady Areola Fappington
#8 - 2013-09-09 16:36:59 UTC
Here's some other humor for this. According to the definition given, strictly by the rules, anyone claiming to have a mining permit from the New Order is misrepresenting themselves as a member of a group, if they don't actually have a permit. (We consider all valid permit holders a member of our highsec coalition).

Unfortunately, we were told we don't count as a "group" according to CCP definition. CFC though, is considered a "group" so anyone trying to pull the "join GoonSwarm" scam, be careful!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-09-09 16:37:50 UTC
scamming is dishonourable and here at EVE Online we like our honourable duels at the sun
Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-09-09 16:38:14 UTC
btw I am a member of the Goonwaffe Recruitment Team
Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-09-09 16:38:23 UTC
ah **** I'm gonna get banned now
Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-09 16:38:30 UTC
sorry CCP
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-09-09 16:41:15 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
sorry CCP


With a beak like that, your mom was sorry too.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-09-09 16:41:53 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
ah **** I'm gonna get banned now


ah well we might as well recruit as many people as we can now

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Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-09-09 16:42:15 UTC
handbanana wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
sorry CCP


With a beak like that, your mom was sorry too.



whoa
Comor Dunathis
Ex Alis Angeli
#16 - 2013-09-09 16:42:25 UTC
I was told in help chat by ISD Arooga and ISD FlowingSpice that only official groups can be impersonated, though it wasn't clear what official groups were. I had answers saying that the CFC was an official group, but the new order was not. The only difference I can see is that CFC is a nullsec power bloc, whereas the new order is a highsec bloc.

I was told that recruitment scams were fine, but that people impersonating permit-holding miners were not against the TOS.

When I questioned them on this further, here's what followed:

Comor Dunathis > so basically, what i'm getting out of this is that player-made groups that surpass alliance/corp boundaries are not official groups
ISD FlowingSpice > Comor Dunathis That sounds about right. yes.
ISD FlowingSpice > Comor Dunathis To answer your question, groups, such as the CFC, as you asked, are included in the ToS change.So no. Don't do it.
Comor Dunathis > thanks. so everyone without a permit that claims to have one is now violating the TOS. gotcha.
ISD Arooga > Comor Dunathis not really

Perhaps CCP would like to enlighten me as to the diffference between the CFC and the New Order, since last I checked, they were both groups of players. Why is impersonating the CFC a violation of the TOS, but impersonating one of the New Order's subgroups not a violation of it?
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-09-09 16:44:58 UTC
CCP, this is Nail. I believe you already know Coffin from Dust 514?

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Blawrf McTaggart
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-09-09 16:45:46 UTC
because New Order are pubbies
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#19 - 2013-09-09 16:46:22 UTC
Wait...we claimed Providence in the name of the Amarrian empire, which is an NPC group.



Guess we will just have to add CCP to the KOS list...

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-09-09 16:47:17 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
As written, one of our members who scams someone with the time-honored recruitment scam will get petitioned when someone says that he wasn't authorized to represent Goonswarm.

why on Earth anyone would care about some stupid goonie who was punished for his scams? What?

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