Assembly Hall

I'd like to have a control in the settings that allows me to set the level of privacy of my in-game data.

If I set my in-game Privacy to full, I do not want the APIs to report anything about who I blasted in space, who killed me in space, who I was flying with, what sector I was in, at what time, or what ship I was flying and how it was fitted.
I do not care about kill boards and ego-boosted rankings to show off who has the better pack of wolves.

What happen in game with my ships is my own personal information, and I am calling for a real data privacy movement within Eve. If player do not mind having this information available to external resources, they can just set their own Privacy rating to Low, and allow APIs to pick up all the information. I do not want my information shared to Battle Clinic in any way.

I do not mind other players getting their precious kill count updated if they have caught me, but I do not want to see any identifying information on API driven sites.

If any spying should be done on players, it should be done in-game, through the agents or other players keeping track. Each player should have the option to opt out of providing any in game data to automated API.

Your information isn't shared unless you share it. Even before the new customizable APIs, you had to provide your API key to any system that used APIs and you could delete that API key at any time, cutting off anyone who used it.

However, other people can share the information they get when they kill you, which is probably what you're complaining about. I'm thinking you lost some ships in combat and don't want anyone to know your fittings and what you fly...guess what? You don't get that privilege. The contents of your wreck were made available to the person who blew up your ship, that information belongs to THEM, and they can publish it or share it via API if they want.

Don't like it? Don't get blown up.

It sounds trite, but 'lurk moar'. Most people who comment anywhere on Eve will say the same thing; the status quo is that the loser gets his stuff seen, and that's normal, accepted, and desired. Also, everyone else who's bothered to do anything in this thread thus far has done so in support of my position, so there's that.

If you don't like it, tough; you died. Loser has no rights. The winner could've done everything from looked at your ship during the battle to count off the cannons, to performed a post-mortem analysis of your wreck once the dust cleared. Nothing you did in advance could stop a determined foe from finding out everything he wants to about what it was you were doing, and publicizing it as widely as he cares to. Whining about it won't change the underlying mechanic.

If you're feeling exposed because everyone can see what you had fitted to that Tengu you lost last... then change your fittings. Do something different, so that anyone who tries to take advantage of you using that information you fear so much will be walking into a trap. Or don't, really; up to you. Those who play the metagame have a bit of an advantage, but it really is a slimmer reed then you might think. Make of it what you will, but don't try to shut it down; the evidence demonstrates that all such attempts are futile.

Of course, you probably like the status quo like those that benefit most from these MetaGame info. It is natural to strive to enforce a status quo when one benefits from it, but it is still an Assembly Hall where ideas challenging status quo can be voiced.

I am just saying that there is a reason, in-game, for not wanting to have all your character information, where he has been, what ships he flies usualy, with what other players.
Make it a hacking skill in game rather than a privacy setting, may be, but I do not see why I should not be able to hide that information if I wanted to.

You can reduce this to not displaying lost battles if you want, but this is not my point. I do not care if the system shows how many ships I have killed or lost. What I do not want to be seen is, if I so choose, all my ships info and fit, gangs details, locations where I have fought, time when I am usually playing the game.

This metagame information has way more far reaching implication inside the actual game play than just tracking losses details.
Furthermore, there is some information in there that could also relate to personal privacy protection issues, like highlighting the times and days I play the game and such, which is nobody's business but me...

wouldnt bug me at all if this happened.. but killmail wh0res will Q_Q.
IMO the problem is how easy it is to find ships a particular person flys and where... i mean if all my losses are drakes with ECM in the mids chances are thats what and where i'l be flying.

Maybe you should mix it up a bit then.

When looking at a killmail in eve-kill or whereever, you may see a frightening amount of information on a pilot. But think about this...

• Kills and losses are simply counted.
• Time and place of activity is gleaned from the location given in the killmails. Gather enough killmails and you get an activity profile.
• You can get an estimation on the player's skillpoints by looking at the loadout(s) of his ship(s) and adding the skillpoints needed to operate the ship and the given modules. You get the mininum number of points needed, but more often than not that is quite a good guess of his actual SP count.

So everything comes down to the information present in the killmail, and not even that. The 'when' and 'where' is something everyone involved in the kill can answer, just by having been there. So the only information exclusively being in the killmail is the loadout of the loser.

I do value my privacy very much as well, but I think even removing killmails altogether would do little to the amount of information being known about anyone who has been involved in a fight.

Customizeable APIs.

Use your D-Scan.

Stop getting blown up.


Edit: Removed profanity, CCP Phantom.

THERE IS SENSE IN THIS!!!!

One way or the other, people are going to know what you fly, your losses, and sometimes your kills even if you don't post them.
This game offers little privacy what you do with your ship (lol) but if you can't deal with it, well look at the quote.

you do know if they implemented it you would NEVER get into a player corp, right? no way to prove your background means no way to prove your not a spy or thief.

also, you dont want to appear on anybody's killmail or kilboard because, im guessing, your tired of losing?

MMO's are social games, whether that interaction be friendly or beer-bottle-over-head is irrelevant, if you don't want creepers hiding behind those roids learning about you, leave.

as for your "all spying should be done by players" is nearly impossible in EVE without a 3rd party program, since killmails you appear on are only mailed to who got the kill, there is virtually no way in EvE to find out who you interacted with without going into local and screaming "hey! anybody here ever shot at or flown with xxxxx?" about 400 times until you find soemone who isnt AFK.

Also, alot of corporations use their 3rd party API to pick targets, all it would take is you and a couple of your buddies in a corp setting you API settings to not show flying around low-sec or null popping players, and no one will ever know who is shooting who and who to declare war on in response unless they PURPOSEFULLY sacrifice valuable time in a fight to target you in overview and click "display info", or do you want "display info" filtered too?

TL;DR your proposal is ridiculous and would cause numerous problems, especially concerning the last one i mentioned.

so, can i laught at you now?