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[Resolved] Primed for Peace - A Petition to New Eden

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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#1 - 2013-02-09 22:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Update 115.04.03: This petition has been resolved, and therefor no longer relevant.
[Original message]
Citizens of New Eden, President Roden, members of CONCORD’s Inner Circle,

With a little hesitation, I write you on the topic of Caldari Prime. The hesitation is because last time I did so, publishing a petition to start negotiations for a peaceful return of Caldari Prime to the State, the petition became superfluous two days later, when Heth took the planet back at the start of the war.

The past days, I’ve been hearing rumors that the Federation might use the current unrest in the state to re-occupy Caldari Prime, and I fear their might be some truth to these rumors. Fear because I think that reclaiming Caldari Prime will mean that the chances for peace between the State and the Federation will decrease drasticly, or at the very least will cause the length or intensity of the war to increase.

Therefor I petition the Roden administration to leave Caldari Prime in Caldari hands, and I urge all Federation citizens to do the same. I petition CONCORD to declare Caldari Prime and surrounding space, or the entire Luminaire system, a demilitarized zone under CONCORD's protection, or to facilitate some other durable solution for the situation that will help broker a (local) peace between Caldari and Gallente, and I urge all New Eden citizens to do the same, and to spread this letter, or a similar one, to your fellow citizens.

Peace,

-A dove


[Update 115.03.25]

  • I call for a cease fire on Caldari Prime
  • I petition our leaders to enter diplomatic negotiations in order to reach to a durable, peaceful settlement in Luminaire.
  • I urge all New Eden citizens to make similar petitions and send them to your leaders NOW!
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#2 - 2013-02-09 23:18:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
I prefering to limit myself to matters of contemplation on Science and Philosophy and therefore I usually refrain from engaging in political matters, however on this matter I will speak my mind.

It is a politican fact that that CONCORD has no jurisdiction on this matter. Luminaire is the sovereign territory of the Gallente Federation. The Caldari who left give up any rights to the Planet of Luminaire VII when they illegal seceded from the Federation by Military force then fled to the then hinterlands of deep space.

Luminaire literally means beacon of light, it is the light of freedom in a harsh universe that must be nurtured. The presence of this ship of mass destruction is an affront to this freedom. There can be no peace when confronted with this, i t is a sword of despair. While the barbarian Heth remains in control of the Caldari state and seeks to extinguish the light with this harbinger of doom.

One day, hopefully sooner rather than later this blot will be removed and freedom will be returned to Luminaire.

Fate willing I will be part of that vangard of freedom.
Simon Louvaki
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2013-02-09 23:31:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
::Edited to clear up some discrepancies::

Wyke Mossari wrote:

It is a politican fact that that CONCORD has no jurisdiction on this matter. Luminaire is the sovereign territory of the Gallente Federation. The Caldari give up any rights to the Planet of Luminaire VII when they illegal succeeded from the Federation by Military force then fled to the then hinterlands of deep space.


Mr. Mossari,

I must insist you review the terms of the cease-fire a tad bit more closely sir. Caldari Prime was never seceded to the Gallente Federation, but left under Federation control (i.e. occupation) after the battle of Iyen-Oursta. There seems to be a misunderstanding as to just what the cease-fire (no formal peace has been made since then, I don't know why people treat it as if there was) entailed. After the battle of Iyen-Oursta the Caldari State entered into Concord broker peace talks, and while the Gallente Federation was not willing to suffer an enemy so close their homeworld, the Caldari State was not willing to forfeit rights to theirs. In the end we were force to leave our home in the hands of the Federation, but we did not give it to the Federation.

My people were forced to leave at the hands of military bombardment and blockade by the Federation, who acted first in terms of lethal military action. As long as the Federation denies the Caldari State to the rights of their homeworld, there will be no real peace, Heth or no unfortunately.

Respectfully,

Simon Malkov Louvaki, CEO
Sengokuvaa Corporate HQ
Federal Administration Information Center
Office Complex 781, Tier V
Luminaire VII (Caldari Prime)

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2013-02-10 00:29:23 UTC
I would like to add my voice to those raised in search for a peaceful resolution to the matter of Caldari Prime. It is our Home world, it is the cradle of our civilisation and a mere two centuries of effort to tack a Federation veneer over the top of those peaks and snowy fields has done nothing to change that in the hearts of the Caldari.

There is, literally, no chance of a lasting peace for so long as the Federation attempts to keep that world from the rightful and true sons and daughters of the Winds. Our Ancestors gave us no peace until it had been retaken and they would disown us if we allowed it to pass from our hands again.

Whilst the current unrest in the State might affect our ability to fight a conventional fleet war against the Federation Navy, nothing can lessen the watchfulness of the Leviathan in orbit. Should there be any attempt to take advantage, it will be the bringer of our wrath and the ruiner of worlds.

There is too much to lose and far too little to gain. Come to your senses and make peace!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

James Syagrius
Reclamation
#5 - 2013-02-10 02:01:00 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Whilst the current unrest in the State might affect our ability to fight a conventional fleet war against the Federation Navy, nothing can lessen the watchfulness of the Leviathan in orbit. Should there be any attempt to take advantage, it will be the bringer of our wrath and the ruiner of worlds.


You cannot pray peace, with a threat.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-02-10 02:03:11 UTC
As long as the Federation wishes to occupy our homeworld, there will be no peace.
Simon Louvaki
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2013-02-10 02:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


Whilst the current unrest in the State might affect our ability to fight a conventional fleet war against the Federation Navy, nothing can lessen the watchfulness of the Leviathan in orbit. Should there be any attempt to take advantage, it will be the bringer of our wrath and the ruiner of worlds.


You cannot pray peace, with a threat.


This is certainly one of the major detractors from our position. Heth has promised to obliterate hundreds of thousands of innocent people in response to an attack on what is militarily a perilous position. Peace at the tip of a sword is no peace at all they say, and only adds to the fire like so much dry wood to the flame.

Respectfully,

Simon Malkov Louvaki, CEO
Sengokuvaa Corporate HQ
Federal Administration Information Center
Office Complex 781, Tier V
Luminaire VII (Caldari Prime)

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2013-02-10 04:21:24 UTC
The situation is what it is. The Leviathan will only open fire if the Federation Navy attacks the CalNav blockade. It has been there for years and never sought to interfere with Federation control of the rest of the system.

The Titan is there and I would prefer to focus attention on solutions which might normalise relations and lead to its removal. As things are, I'm sure you can appreciate that there is a degree of skepticism that the removal of the Leviathan would lead to anything other than another invasion of Home.

Instead of railing against what is, let's see some suggestions for moving forward.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

James Syagrius
Reclamation
#9 - 2013-02-10 05:20:40 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The situation is what it is. The Leviathan will only open fire if the Federation Navy attacks the CalNav blockade. It has been there for years and never sought to interfere with Federation control of the rest of the system.

The Titan is there and I would prefer to focus attention on solutions which might normalise relations and lead to its removal. As things are, I'm sure you can appreciate that there is a degree of skepticism that the removal of the Leviathan would lead to anything other than another invasion of Home.

Instead of railing against what is, let's see some suggestions for moving forward.


And I am sure you can appreciate that I and those who agree with me, will oppose any accommodation with the State as long as it remains.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-02-10 07:07:01 UTC
And I and those who agree with me will see calls from the Federation to remove it as nothing more than a disingenuous attempt to clear the way for an attack. So arguing to have it removed is arguing for war and not arguing for peace.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#11 - 2013-02-10 08:50:50 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
::Edited to clear up some discrepancies::

Caldari Prime was never seceded to the Gallente Federation, but left under Federation control (i.e. occupation) after the battle of Iyen-Oursta.


The Planet of Luminaire VII never left the Federation until it was illegally seized by Heth. The decendents of those renegade that deserted Caldari Prime have no legal claim on the planet that subsumes those that remained on Luminaire VII as free citizens of the Federation.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-02-10 09:43:57 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
Simon Louvaki wrote:
::Edited to clear up some discrepancies::

Caldari Prime was never seceded to the Gallente Federation, but left under Federation control (i.e. occupation) after the battle of Iyen-Oursta.


The Planet of Luminaire VII never left the Federation until it was illegally seized by Heth. The decendents of those renegade that deserted Caldari Prime have no legal claim on the planet that subsumes those that remained on Luminaire VII as free citizens of the Federation.


Driven off, through an entirely unprecdented and illegal use of force.

Returned, through an entirely unprecedented and illegal use of force.

Maintained, through an entirely unprecedented and illegal threat of force.


What's the matter, Mister Mossari? Don't like the taste of your own recipes?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2013-02-10 12:36:19 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Our Ancestors gave us no peace until it had been retaken and they would disown us if we allowed it to pass from our hands again.


Oh great, now they hear the voices from the dead.
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2013-02-10 15:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
The comments so far only strengthen my belief that Caldari Prime should be protected by CONCORD. Some Caldari do not want to leave the planet unprotected, and some Gallente can not live with a hostile Titan close to their homeworld, as Tovil-Toba is also remembered on Gallente Prime.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-02-10 16:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Che Biko wrote:
The comments so far only strengthen my belief that Caldari Prime should be protected by CONCORD. Some Caldari do not want to leave the planet unprotected, and some Gallente can not live with a hostile Titan close to their homeworld, as Tovil Toba is also remembered on Gallente Prime.


To remember Yakiya Tovil-Toba without remembering the context for his actions is folly. However I am pleased that the Federation does still remember Caldari resolve and the cost it can inflict in the face of unchecked aggression.

Do not misunderstand me, I have no fondness for the war between our peoples but that doesn't mean I'll accept a dishonourable peace.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Simon Louvaki
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#16 - 2013-02-10 16:27:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Wyke Mossari wrote:

The Planet of Luminaire VII never left the Federation until it was illegally seized by Heth. The decendents of those renegade that deserted Caldari Prime have no legal claim on the planet that subsumes those that remained on Luminaire VII as free citizens of the Federation.


The Planet of Caldari Prime was blockaded, bombarded invaded and occupied by armed military forces of the Federation armed forces, an event that led to the open armed rebellion of the newly formed Caldari Sate. Either you acknowledge that Caldari Prime made a bid for independence, and thus was part of a rouge state from the Federation or you acknowledge the Federation waged a war on the law-abiding citizens of one of its own worlds. The Caldari State never relinquished its claim on the Homeworld, but did acknowledged Federation occupation as a stipulation of the cease-fire.

In the end, the Caldari People willingly entered into the Federation on their own accord and left on their own accord. The legality of the matter in terms of Federation law is moot. I'm sure you've seen people clamoring for rebellion against Heth correct? I find it almost hypocritical as a whole for the Federation to encourage dissent in the State when they denied freedom to a people who no longer wanted to be apart of their own Empire.

This however will get us nowhere in the end. I would also like to echo Che Biko's sentiments and fully support the demiliterization of Luminarie by both sides. Luminarie isn't just home of the Gallente, its the birth place of the Caldari as well. We share a common womb, like it or not, and neither of our homeworlds should be threatened by extinction. Therefore I see a CONCORD operated buffer zone the best solution for both our people.

James Syagrius wrote:

And I am sure you can appreciate that I and those who agree with me, will oppose any accommodation with the State as long as it remains.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
And I and those who agree with me will see calls from the Federation to remove it as nothing more than a disingenuous attempt to clear the way for an attack. So arguing to have it removed is arguing for war and not arguing for peace.


Tuuilnen-haan,

This remains a precarious situation at best. I'm sure you would agree that we all need to put aside our differneces and work out a deal that is beneficial to all parties. As a result we must all make concessions in order to assure that we reach a desired conclusion. I've spoken with Syagrius at length about these issues, and I can guarantee he is not arguing for war. As long as each side is pointing a gun at each other and demanding peace we will never have it.

What would you suggest to remedy this situation?

Respectfully,

Simon Malkov Louvaki, CEO
Sengokuvaa Corporate HQ
Federal Administration Information Center
Office Complex 781, Tier V
Luminaire VII (Caldari Prime)

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#17 - 2013-02-10 16:50:01 UTC
Mutual trust must be built between our peoples before a lasting peace can be found.

I suggest we go into business together. Nothing builds bonds of friendship more practically than a common enterprise.
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
SE7EN-SINS
#18 - 2013-02-10 17:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
I've pushed for peace for a long time, and earned nothing more for my trouble than ooking like a fool in front of my own countrymen and being spat upon by those on the other side of the war that I worked so hard to advocate for. Indeed there may still be a chance for peace, but it must be one on our terms that leaves the Patriots and all the filth associated with that ignoble conglomerate no wriggle room to continue their insane vendetta against us.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

stoicfaux
#19 - 2013-02-10 17:46:34 UTC
war is life,
death is peace.
hippies seek strife,
warmongers seek relief.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Emile Belfleur
Solar Zouaves
#20 - 2013-02-10 17:57:10 UTC
Gallente Prime is destroyed already. It was destroyed a long time ago.

That being said, I support the peaceful return of Caldari Prime to the Caldari people, and its subsequent segragation from the rest of Luminaire.
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