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Restoring the Yulai CONCORD Bureau!

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Reiisha
#1 - 2013-01-02 00:32:14 UTC
I am wondering: Why hasn't the Yulai CONCORD Bureau been restored yet? With the amount of isk CONCORD is paying out to anyone who throws an empty bottle of Quafe at any pirate anywhere in the cluster, you'd think they have the resources to rebuild their headquarters...

Maybe i'm insane (though that's an evaluation i received from many people over the course of my life), but i'd like to see that beautiful place restored. If CONCORD isn't doing anything about it themselves, what can we as capsuleers do to help? Maybe we could even buy the remnants of the station and rebuild it ourselves?

It could even be made into something other than the CONCORD HQ: A neutral place for any faction, any empire, any capsuleer to come and settle disputes or simply discuss whatever crosses their minds. A center for diplomacy, philosophy and whatever other word-with-a-Y-suffix you can think of. It may not have been the center for trade since the rearrangement of stargate routes years ago, it still holds some significance in the minds of everyone in the cluster, even if just nostalgia.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-01-02 01:23:46 UTC
I'd say they keep it that way as a symbol of what the uncontrolled ambition of few can do: the harm, death and pain they can cause. It's a message to the whole cluster: when we're down, the empires go to war and millions die or are abducted. I believe that's how they probably see it.

But there's another lecture: a different path is possible. CONCORD isn't capable, in the end, to maintain peace. We have found we are once again alone in space, and neither the Jove nor CONCORD can try to control us. They have a power to recognize, certainly, but in the end they can't handle everything. That is what that station means.

Some may read it as a call for cooperation, I believe it is a sign of independence.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Reiisha
#3 - 2013-01-02 01:29:46 UTC
You don't have to leave a station in ruins just to acknowledge what happened. That's like the Minmatar refusing to rebuild any of their worlds' infrastructure "just to remind them what happened", or the Gallente refusing to rebuild their homeworld "just to remind them what happened".

Homage is not a bad thing, but one shouldn't take it too far.

Leaving the station as is may be a reminder to what happened, rebuilding it would be a gesture of hope for the future and personally i'm vastly more interested in the latter over the former, as are i bet a lot of other people.

That said, not everyone has to agree with rebuilding it. The Gallente and Minmatar not agreeing with enslavement didn't stop the Amarr from going through with it anyway, dit it? *wink*

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

DeadRow
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-02 01:49:14 UTC
Pretty sure the station where that Nyx parked is still a little worse for wear.

Guess they have other things on their minds.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#5 - 2013-01-02 02:00:57 UTC
DeadRow wrote:
Pretty sure the station where that Nyx parked is still a little worse for wear.

Guess they have other things on their minds.


We're working on it.

Katrina Oniseki

Reiisha
#6 - 2013-01-02 08:51:59 UTC
DeadRow wrote:
Pretty sure the station where that Nyx parked is still a little worse for wear.

Guess they have other things on their minds.


The Nyx crashsite looks a lot better than the CONCORD bureau...

( It is rather jarring to dock at that station and see a massive, intact Gallente interior by the way. )

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Keraimo Hakanuro
Inner Circle
CONCORD Assembly
#7 - 2013-01-02 10:24:42 UTC

The CONCORD Assembly's priorities lie with upholding the mandate and convention that it was created and assigned to enforce.

In time, things will fall into place.

Right now our priority is to do our job, not make our headquarters look pretty.

Reiisha
#8 - 2013-01-02 10:51:02 UTC
Keraimo Hakanuro wrote:

The CONCORD Assembly's priorities lie with upholding the mandate and convention that it was created and assigned to enforce.

In time, things will fall into place.

Right now our priority is to do our job, not make our headquarters look pretty.



That's why i offered the option to sell the HQ station to another organization, or rent it out in the same capacity.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2013-01-02 12:44:31 UTC
Keraimo Hakanuro wrote:

The CONCORD Assembly's priorities lie with upholding the mandate and convention that it was created and assigned to enforce.

In time, things will fall into place.

Right now our priority is to do our job, not make our headquarters look pretty.


Like he said, even if they are not that good at it.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-02 14:10:41 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Keraimo Hakanuro wrote:

The CONCORD Assembly's priorities lie with upholding the mandate and convention that it was created and assigned to enforce.

In time, things will fall into place.

Right now our priority is to do our job, not make our headquarters look pretty.



That's why i offered the option to sell the HQ station to another organization, or rent it out in the same capacity.


Why would they? It's not like it's causing any issues right now. There's no rush, just like Keraimo said.

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Reiisha
#11 - 2013-01-02 14:20:11 UTC
Grideris wrote:
Reiisha wrote:
Keraimo Hakanuro wrote:

The CONCORD Assembly's priorities lie with upholding the mandate and convention that it was created and assigned to enforce.

In time, things will fall into place.

Right now our priority is to do our job, not make our headquarters look pretty.



That's why i offered the option to sell the HQ station to another organization, or rent it out in the same capacity.


Why would they? It's not like it's causing any issues right now. There's no rush, just like Keraimo said.


That's a strange supposition. Here i am, offering CONCORD money and time to restore and maintain their HQ station. Why would they turn this down? At the moment, the station is only costing them money since apparently they are keeping it operational anyway. Not restoring it, or rather, letting it be restored is a pretty strange choice considering the possible alternatives.

Suppose your ship is nearly destroyed. Yet, you still want to keep using it. It's costing you a lot of trouble and money to keep it afloat in it's current condition. Someone comes along and offers you to not just repair the ship but upgrade it at the same time. Why would you turn that offer down?

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-01-02 14:27:01 UTC
Pride ?
Reiisha
#13 - 2013-01-02 14:28:33 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
Pride ?


CONCORD and pride are terms that are mutually exclusive. CONCORD is the Jove's lapdog anyway by any account.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#14 - 2013-01-02 20:52:00 UTC
Mrs. Reiisha,

CONCORD has plenty of reasons to be proud. They managed to allow for a century of piece between several empires who are hostile towards eachother at the best of times. They made it possible that for more then a century there was the option to move forward instead of being stuck in the same vicious cycle of fighting. CONCORD made it possible for us capsuleers to evolve into what we are this day, and gives us room to keep evolving.

Though many would look down or ridicule CONCORD, facts are that we, the capsuleers as a whole, are creating so many advancements and directions and actions that previously were unthinkable or impossible. This has caused that most of CONCORD media time is dedicated to the response to avoid or prevent escalation into more dangerous situations.

I consider CONCORD to be a mother who has to keep her siblings in check while giving them the best possible future. It's a hard task, especially now that we capsuleers are an entirely different breed of child.

But i agree that for all the care that CONCORD has given us, it is time to return some of it. I to wish to help in restoring the home of CONCORD.

Mr. Hakanuro you have my thanks for sharing the view of CONCORD on the matter. Should you welcome it, i would be honored to be of service to you and CONCORD.

DutchGunner
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2013-01-02 21:22:36 UTC
Sepherim wrote:
I'd say they keep it that way as a symbol of what the uncontrolled ambition of few can do: the harm, death and pain they can cause. It's a message to the whole cluster: when we're down, the empires go to war and millions die or are abducted. I believe that's how they probably see it.

But there's another lecture: a different path is possible. CONCORD isn't capable, in the end, to maintain peace. We have found we are once again alone in space, and neither the Jove nor CONCORD can try to control us. They have a power to recognize, certainly, but in the end they can't handle everything. That is what that station means.

Some may read it as a call for cooperation, I believe it is a sign of independence.


I agree with the first part, but I also would like to see another one built. The message would be clear : CONCORD is still present and active, no matter what happened. The presence of the old one would also continue to send its message as well.

On the other lecture, it does not make sense to me. Because CONCORD failed once does not mean that they fail everytime, and can not maintain peace.

I am personally ready to assist CONCORD in such an avenue, for what it is worth. As Mr Hakanurosaid it is not so much for the materialistic side of it, but for the message.
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
#16 - 2013-01-02 23:57:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Natalcya Katla
The destruction of that station is the worst atrocity I have ever witnessed. It was a brutal and cowardly attack against civilization itself.

CONCORD lost more than a station that day. Amidst the wreckage, they should have recognized the opportunity for decisive action and seized it. They should have captured or killed the warlords leading the empires, abolished the partisan governments and lashed the cluster together in an iron peace.

All that CONCORD had achieved through a hundred years was threatened that day. Instead of risking it all on the chance to truly come into their own, they did the unthinkable and accepted war. An engineered civil war among Astropolites, fueled by the ethnic partisanship of planetsiders and the cynical interests of big industry. It is an artificial war, it is a meaningless war, and it is a war which invalidates every hope CONCORD used to embody.

One law. One empire. One humanity. That is the hope and the opportunity CONCORD lost that day.

I mourn for it still.
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-01-03 01:33:40 UTC
Natalcya Katla wrote:
The destruction of that station is the worst atrocity I have ever witnessed. It was a brutal and cowardly attack against civilization itself.

CONCORD lost more than a station that day. Amidst the wreckage, they should have recognized the opportunity for decisive action and seized it. They should have captured or killed the warlords leading the empires, abolished the partisan governments and lashed the cluster together in an iron peace.

All that CONCORD had achieved through a hundred years was threatened that day. Instead of risking it all on the chance to truly come into their own, they did the unthinkable and accepted war. An engineered civil war among Astropolites, fueled by the ethnic partisanship of planetsiders and the cynical interests of big industry. It is an artificial war, it is a meaningless war, and it is a war which invalidates every hope CONCORD used to embody.

One law. One empire. One humanity. That is the hope and the opportunity CONCORD lost that day.

I mourn for it still.


I agree, but do not weep for something that was always just a façade, a simple illusion. CONCORD was incapable of bringing peace and failed to do so when time came to prove their position; all that they have done was claim the right to call the peace between the empires their product, but one in which they weren't really a part: when the empires wanted to go to war, they went to war. CONCORD only kept things peaceful and stable because the others accepted it, and even now it can only hold balance because the four are balanced among them. CONCORD has power, but certainly not as much as is often supposed.

Sepherim Catillah Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Liuteneant Ex-Imperial Navy Imperator Commander

Tykari
The Observatory
#18 - 2013-01-03 01:40:56 UTC
Keraimo Hakanuro wrote:

The CONCORD Assembly's priorities lie with upholding the mandate and convention that it was created and assigned to enforce.

In time, things will fall into place.

Right now our priority is to do our job, not make our headquarters look pretty.



While I can understand that sentiment, the Yulai IX station was the very embodiment of that mandate. It stood exactly for what CONCORD is about. Each arm represented one of the Empires, joined together at the center. A station that did not only serve many functions for CONCORD but also was a diplomatic venue, a place to try to find a common ground, to find solutions to prevent all out war from erupting and engulfing the entire cluster in total chaos.

Right now it is a ruin, hardly worth being called a station. And nothing has been done with it at all. Yes, it failed, and the symbolic nature of its destroyed state is oddly fitting with the Jove Directorate arm, the only one having a semblance of being intact, it being the only Empire currently not at war with another. But before it failed it had many successes.

Your priority is to do your job. The Yulai IX station was a place perfectly suited to do that job. This isn't simply about making it look pretty. Yes it is a station, one of so many spread all over the cluster but none of them come close to being able to stand as a beacon of hope that our civilisations have a future besides mutual destruction while fulling that purpose.

Now I don't hold out much hope there ever will be a lasting peace between the Empires, the grievances run to deep and none of them can even conceive of looking forward instead of dragging things back into the past every so often. But rebuilding it would at least be a visible sign to the cluster that no matter what destruction is wrought we will not simply lie down and let those dreams be shattered.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.

Keraimo Hakanuro
Inner Circle
CONCORD Assembly
#19 - 2013-01-03 09:08:44 UTC
Tykari wrote:

While I can understand that sentiment, the Yulai IX station was the very embodiment of that mandate. It stood exactly for what CONCORD is about. Each arm represented one of the Empires, joined together at the center. A station that did not only serve many functions for CONCORD but also was a diplomatic venue, a place to try to find a common ground, to find solutions to prevent all out war from erupting and engulfing the entire cluster in total chaos.


The station, while our headquarters, was a tool. It remains a tool, and always will be.

It may not look pretty, but it functions and serves its purpose.

The embodiment of the mandate and convention we serve is represented by the dedicated people who wear our uniforms and fly our vessels every day.
Reiisha
#20 - 2013-01-03 09:38:47 UTC
Keraimo Hakanuro wrote:
Tykari wrote:

While I can understand that sentiment, the Yulai IX station was the very embodiment of that mandate. It stood exactly for what CONCORD is about. Each arm represented one of the Empires, joined together at the center. A station that did not only serve many functions for CONCORD but also was a diplomatic venue, a place to try to find a common ground, to find solutions to prevent all out war from erupting and engulfing the entire cluster in total chaos.


The station, while our headquarters, was a tool. It remains a tool, and always will be.

It may not look pretty, but it functions and serves its purpose.

The embodiment of the mandate and convention we serve is represented by the dedicated people who wear our uniforms and fly our vessels every day.


I would hardly call it 'functioning' when most of it's facilities have been destroyed and most diplomats now avoiding it. Restoring it would be a first step towards showing everyone that CONCORD still tries to work towards it's ideals, despite heavy opposition.

Frankly, i'm somewhat appalled by your derogatory and apathic stance on this. It does not befit the organization you claim to be working for. Interstellar diplomacy and broken ruins are not a good mix, functional or not, diplomacy and politics is not about functionality but about symbols, gestures and signals - Not fixing the station sends the wrong versions of all 3, which is something CONCORD doesn't need right now.

If anything, it shows that CONCONRD doesn't care at all anymore and just sits by, as if only caring about the 9 to 5 job of patrolling space. This is not the stance or attitude we need from the organization which is supposed to uphold peace between the empires.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

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