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Before bounty-hunting, you should know how bounty-hunting works

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Wild Geese.
#1 - 2012-12-06 04:54:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
tl;dr: To claim the full bounty on someone's head, you need to destroy 5x that in their assets. There is no way around this. You (likely) can't go trigger happy once on some dude and claim his whole bounty (unless he's an idiot flying too expensive a ship). You also cannot claim your own bounty with an alt, because you will have spent 5x the reward in the process of getting the reward in the first place.



So there's this guy in your corp (let's call him Vic) with a totally sweet 500 mil ISK bounty on his head. "With that money, I could buy myself a really sweet ship," you think, and make plans to AWOX have an overview bug. This AWOX overview bug happens in the next fleet, and you kill the guy's Drake, giving you... 750k ISK. In addition, everyone else of the 20 members of the fleet also receives 750k ISK. You are then ousted by Vic for what you did, and booted from corp. What happened? Why do you not have huge piles of cash?

When you kill someone with a bounty, the payout is 20% of their ship's post-insurance value. If the bounty is large enough to cover that, the payout is paid, and the bounty decreases by that value. If the payout would be more than the bounty remaining (20% of their ship is 50 mil but they only have a 10 mil bounty), you get paid the entire remaining bounty, and the target's bounty is erased. Have a flowchart.

The bounty goes to the last hitter on the killmail (alternatively, to the highest damage dealer if the last hit was a NPC). If that person is in a fleet, the bounty is split with the whole fleet.

In your case, to claim the full value of Vic's 500 mil ISK bounty in one swoop, you would have to kill a ship of his worth 2.5 billion ISK. Maybe you can catch his officer-fitted ratting Nightmare sometime.

For this reason, "cashing in" on a bounty on your own head is impossible, even with an alt.

Lastly, remember that bounties do not make shooting anyone legal and you will get CONCORDed if you try to kill a non-criminal with a bounty in hisec.

Now go gank Vic... properly.

Edited for accuracy

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-12-06 04:58:16 UTC
*claps*

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Wild Geese.
#3 - 2012-12-06 05:03:34 UTC
Up for discussion: was the "The more you know" graphic for this PSA appropriate? Apparently the lack of such made my last one suck.

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Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-12-06 05:09:33 UTC
I approve of this helpful and informative guide... You sir have done a great service in answering half the threads of the last 24 hours.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2012-12-06 05:13:29 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
I approve of this helpful and informative guide... You sir have done a great service in answering half the threads of the last 24 hours.

AoE post-answering. Feel free to link people over here when they demonstrate a lack of understanding of how bounties are paid out, if you want.

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Pyre leFay
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-12-06 05:18:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Pyre leFay
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

The bounty goes to the highest damage dealer on the killmail. If that person is in a fleet, the bounty is split with the whole fleet.


Its whoever gets the killing blow.
Highest damage is used when the target gets waxed by gate guns or concorded in the process as there is then no killing blow.
And then split in fleet as you said.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Wild Geese.
#7 - 2012-12-06 05:21:28 UTC
Pyre leFay wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:

The bounty goes to the highest damage dealer on the killmail. If that person is in a fleet, the bounty is split with the whole fleet.


Its whoever gets the killing blow.
Highest damage is used when the target gets waxed by gate guns or concorded in the process as there is then no killing blow.
And then split in fleet as you said.


The patch notes seem to disagree:

Quote:

- The bounty is paid to the character with the final blow, except when Concord has final blow or for self-destruct, in which case the bounty goes to highest damage dealer.
- A fleet that claims a bounty on a player, will now get paid for the bounty. The payout is split equally amongst the fleet members.


I will correct the point about final blow/highest damage, though.

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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#8 - 2012-12-06 05:28:17 UTC
So... before shooting Vic I drop fleet, shoot Vic, then disconnect. When I re-log I claim I thought I was shooting the primary, but my client locked up.

Also you can claim a bounty on yourself with an alt, you just lose isk doing it. But if its a small bounty and you do not like the "Wanted" banner you can do it. Question: The value CCP uses is not necessarily the current market cost. Some ships and items are overvalued by CCP's method. If I want to clear a bounty, what should my ship and cargo be to make the process as low cost as possible?

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2012-12-06 05:35:28 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Also you can claim a bounty on yourself with an alt, you just lose isk doing it. But if its a small bounty and you do not like the "Wanted" banner you can do it. Question: The value CCP uses is not necessarily the current market cost. Some ships and items are overvalued by CCP's method. If I want to clear a bounty, what should my ship and cargo be to make the process as low cost as possible?

After some abuses of the cost-calculation algorithm in FW, CCP redid their cost-calculation and are being quite mysterious about how that works. I'd guess it's some sort of both time and location averaging to avoid outliers. Your guess is probably as good as mine, though.

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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
#10 - 2012-12-06 19:41:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
I was not considering manipulating it, I was thinking about taking advantage of the ebb and flow of the market in that some things occasionally get a low price when CCP's estimate is still high.
Also in the "ISK destroyed" calculation used for determining the bounty, salvage is not included. That is if the wreck produces a huge salvage payout the bounty is not reduced. I understand that T2 ships can produce T2 salvage of sufficient value that its almost profitable to self-destruct them. Throw in a bounty as well, and clearing a bounty by having an alt pop you while you are in a T2 ship may be quite viable.

Then there is

"I mined the minerals, built the ship, then had an alt blow it up. I got my own bounty for free because I mined the minerals myself!

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2012-12-06 20:04:50 UTC
Best PSA ever. ::claps::

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-12-06 20:06:28 UTC
This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.

My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll

For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#13 - 2012-12-06 20:11:12 UTC
nice one.. we should get you to write our dev blogs Blink

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GallowsCalibrator
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-12-06 20:11:34 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.

My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll

For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.


http://i.imgur.com/wpM4U.jpg a bloo bloo bloo.

This simply adds a much-needed boost in the arm to hisec PvP and non-traditional methods thereof. Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean someone can't throw the sand right in your face - how you react is up to you.

NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-12-06 20:15:57 UTC
post insurance, does that mean the few mil for the insurance policy is included so (ship+ fittings +insurance cost)*.2, or (total ship value-insurance payout)*.2?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-12-06 20:19:03 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.

My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll

For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.


http://i.imgur.com/wpM4U.jpg a bloo bloo bloo.

This simply adds a much-needed boost in the arm to hisec PvP and non-traditional methods thereof. Just because it's a sandbox doesn't mean someone can't throw the sand right in your face - how you react is up to you.




I was not not talking the actual gameplay experience.

I was talking about the appeal before even subscribing.

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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-12-06 20:29:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll

For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.


So the bounties only on -1 and below which is extremely restrictive is sandbox. But a system that lets you put bounties on anyone is not sandbox?

You have a strange definition of sandbox.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#18 - 2012-12-06 20:33:03 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
This would all be great, and thanks OP, but none of this means a darned thing to Goons who are shaping up as pretty much the only ones doing high bounties.

My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll

For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.

The opinion of anyone in Wildly Inappropriate doesn't really do much to further your cause. Smile

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GallowsCalibrator
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-12-06 20:34:34 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
My old alliance leader who wa in Wldly Inapp thinks these new mechanics are idiotic and just cannot participate in the game any longer after 4 years. I don't blame him at alll

For a Sandbox, it sure is becoming incredibly restrictive as to what type of player its appeal is for. Sad really.


So the bounties only on -1 and below which is extremely restrictive is sandbox. But a system that lets you put bounties on anyone is not sandbox?

You have a strange definition of sandbox.


He has a strange definition of most things. For instance, how to quit the game without just bleating on about it.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-12-06 20:38:01 UTC
Question: insurance is subtracted from loss. Salvage is ignored. How about loot drop. Is that left out of the loss calculation? So, I'm in a 1 billion ISK mach with a 2 billion ISK faction fit. I go boom. 1 billion ISK of mods drop. What is my loss? 2B or 3B?

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