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[Proposal] Fix the drone alloy issue, chaining drone battelships is overlowing certain minerals
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Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#1 - 2011-10-04 13:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr LaboratoryRat
As the titel sais,

The more renters and the safer drone regions get, the more high end ores are plummeting. It is connected to the chaining and looting of drone alloys and refining them.

Causes:
-Chaining only certain spawns that drop the good alloys
-Selective dronesanctum salvaging, only salvage good bs wrecks with alloys that refine in high end ores
-Selective drone mission loot salvaging (increase agent levels)

Effects:
-High end ores worth nothing
-Mining is dead
-Cheap items


Possible solutions:
-solutions can only be found containing adjustments or alloy drop of the specific npc battleship. Other solution would requir too much work.

In short terms: Dear CCP pls hit it with nerfbat so mining is worth it again and ppl dont make 120 mil per hour sanctum farming and 65m per hour chaining drone batteships in a -0,65 or better true sec system,

As this would effect mission runners and renters and drone ruskies; coincedence all ppl who actualy care about isk and live along the isk infure of highest income per hour u can archive in eve i expect to get alot of troll responding on this. If u are a troll and u like trolling i can advise u to think properly and think about the fact that if it get nerfed u are better of mining with 3 accounts like it was profitable before implementation of the drone regions...

Edit:

High end ore cost 4 yers ago and now:
Zydrine 2500 ----- 800
Megacyte 3500 ----- 2600
Morphite 14000 ----- 3430

Amount of eve players (thus amount of manufacturing) 4 yrs ago and now:

15,000 ----- 40,000 (-5k from past yr included)

Increased amount of capital production (thus increasing demand zydrine and megacyte):
4yrs ago rare ----- now supercaps online

In short, more player, more manufactured, more big high end math requiring ships build yet mineral prices still going down,.... wth is going on?
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#2 - 2011-10-04 15:09:16 UTC
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:

In short terms: Dear CCP pls hit it with nerfbat so mining is worth it again and ppl dont make 120 mil per hour sanctum farming and 65m per hour chaining drone batteships in a -0,65 or better true sec system,


You should understand that this is how ~players~ want it to be - easy and no meaningful losses, because one can recover in an hour or two.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#3 - 2011-10-04 17:05:09 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:

In short terms: Dear CCP pls hit it with nerfbat so mining is worth it again and ppl dont make 120 mil per hour sanctum farming and 65m per hour chaining drone batteships in a -0,65 or better true sec system,


You should understand that this is how ~players~ want it to be - easy and no meaningful losses, because one can recover in an hour or two.


but not on par with bounty npc santums and this is destroying an entire thing to do in eve
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#4 - 2011-10-04 17:45:49 UTC
Drone Hordes, which can be easily found in abundance in any system in the drone regions, are a monotonous, yet profitable, source of income in said regions... as well as, y'know, the only reason for anyone to be out there at all ever. 'Hit it with a nerfbat' is a terrible thing to say if you don't have any alternative to offer... after all, as deadspace goes, there are more profitable places you could be. Remember that all this alloy comes instead of not only shiny faction loot, but also cash bounties. Seriously, 100% of the profit you can get in these places comes from the guy running the Noctis behind the plexers.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Drones dropped a bit less in the way of alloys... if and only if they dropped impressive sorts of Rogue Drone Faction stuff. There should obviously be Rogue Drone versions of the Drone support modules... aside from that, maybe have them drop blueprints for Rogue Drone Faction Drones? If you feel that there's too much rare ore coming out of the drone regions, the best way to dam up that flow would be to also hand the Drone hunters something to consume those minerals... and shiny blueprints for cool Drone-related stuff mixed in with the loot would be a step towards doing that.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#5 - 2011-10-04 17:56:21 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Drone Hordes, which can be easily found in abundance in any system in the drone regions, are a monotonous, yet profitable, source of income in said regions... as well as, y'know, the only reason for anyone to be out there at all ever. 'Hit it with a nerfbat' is a terrible thing to say if you don't have any alternative to offer...


CONCORD should have intervened and purged the rogue drones by now. "Mining with guns" experiment should have been put to an end by CCP years ago.

Alternative is clear - cf. other regions.

Will it happen? Never.

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-10-04 19:53:40 UTC
Endovior wrote:
Drone Hordes, which can be easily found in abundance in any system in the drone regions, are a monotonous, yet profitable, source of income in said regions... as well as, y'know, the only reason for anyone to be out there at all ever. 'Hit it with a nerfbat' is a terrible thing to say if you don't have any alternative to offer... after all, as deadspace goes, there are more profitable places you could be. Remember that all this alloy comes instead of not only shiny faction loot, but also cash bounties. Seriously, 100% of the profit you can get in these places comes from the guy running the Noctis behind the plexers.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Drones dropped a bit less in the way of alloys... if and only if they dropped impressive sorts of Rogue Drone Faction stuff. There should obviously be Rogue Drone versions of the Drone support modules... aside from that, maybe have them drop blueprints for Rogue Drone Faction Drones? If you feel that there's too much rare ore coming out of the drone regions, the best way to dam up that flow would be to also hand the Drone hunters something to consume those minerals... and shiny blueprints for cool Drone-related stuff mixed in with the loot would be a step towards doing that.



personally i think they should drastically lower the amount of minerals they drop, and instead of dropping the items themselves (which would be way farmable anyways) they should drop maybe some sort of datatype, like a Rogue Drone Weapon System Blueprint part A or soemthing, and certain pieces of the blueprints have rarer and rarer drop rates or something.

fact is drone regions are far too farmable and no matter what kind of "special, worthwhile" loot you give them, they will be farmed for massive profit by whoever has the biggest blobs/groups in the area with little to no risk form the drones themselves.

so either make the loot/salvage they drop MUCH more scarce, or up the lethality of the drones by a couple tonnage.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2011-10-04 20:56:17 UTC
Meh. The whole idea of "chaining" and being able to influence what spawns where is silly to me. I've seen entire null systems where they'd chained every belt to get perfect spawns every time. This shouldn't be possible...you shouldn't be able to dictate that the highest-paying rats spawn EVERY TIME. It's so very considerate of the pirate factions to consistently deliver such great spawns if you just shoot the right ships.

But then I'm an explorer. I come from a background where you can search for weeks for that big payout and then make billions in a day. The mundane life of a nullbear just bouncing rat to rat and pretending to be more than a mission-runner because they can't hide behind concord has never appealed to me.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-04 22:03:04 UTC
drone regions should drop BPCs for drone ships, ( u know the dominix with legs?) also be cool for them to drop faction drones, meta 2 fighters?

the issue is lots of minerals leaving drone region which hurts the highsec economy.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#9 - 2011-10-04 23:25:44 UTC
The drone regions are PAINFUL to even just travel through. I'd rather not have the honor-suicides of every member of IRC on my conscious if CCP touched drone ratting even further.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#10 - 2011-10-05 12:10:46 UTC
don't agree with the OP.

first an foremost im not a KORVIN alt (not Russian)

secondly i don't see there being an issue with mineral prices. time moves on people find new ways to acquire these minerals
ATM we have:

null mining
HS mining (low med end minerals)
WH mining (higher class WHs makes better mining profit)
rouge drones (missions/sites/regions of space)
meta item reprocessing (from missions/sites)

all of these ways of acquiring minerals have there pros and cons.
and it seems that people who do one seem to think that one if not all of the other ways are OP.
IMO its a classic case of greener grass.

as with spawn chaining it is a viable way of making isk. its not a guaranteed isk to pocket task though

there are 2 reasons for this:

1- people like my self like running through NULL wiping out entire belts/systems just to make the quick isk
2-there is always the chance that a belt spawn will decide to despawn and be replaced with destroyers.
this happens more often than you think, an can get vary tiresome.


so in closing please don call for a NERF-BAT just change tack and try it out for your self.
i know that this is not easy for some people but at the end of the day if times change and you don't
then you are gonna be chewed up and spat out. its just the way it is sorry .

DD
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
#11 - 2011-10-06 09:27:03 UTC
To respond on all previous posts, there are multiple fixes for 1 solution. I just made a start by naming the problem and its effects. I do agree that if drone alloys get modified to drop less high end ores there must come somthing in return. some solution quick out my head,

-Special concord tags can drop
-New drone upgrades bpc/special compomens drop
-Add bounties to the npc´s aswell as alloys and modify alloy drop (remove high ends)
-Remove the drones and replace by new pirate faction


Minerals are too cheap and drone alloys are the biggest contibutor to minerals, not mining in wormholes. The specific numbers are somewhere in a quarterly thingy. I prefer solution 3, since this will still give drone 0.0 its independance, low ores and high end ores availeble. There are many good -0.7+ systems in drone regions.

1 thing is for sure, mining is broken by a overflow of high end minerals and drone regions is the biggest contributer to supply of those mins.....