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Escrow Security Needed

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Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#1 - 2012-11-16 19:05:58 UTC
Hi guys, I apologies if this is the wrong place to post this thread. I am looking for someone who is trustworthy to hold security on some small lotteries I am going to hold. This person will enter as a 3rd party and hold all funds until the lottery is over.

Please can someone point me in the right direction.

Thank you.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#2 - 2012-11-16 19:06:52 UTC
Chribba is a great person to use as a third party. He's got quite a reputation for it.

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Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#3 - 2012-11-16 19:10:17 UTC
+1 for Chribba. Assuming you don't want him to hold a mountain of veld for you. Never turn your back on your veld when he's around, his lust for it is great.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#4 - 2012-11-16 19:39:28 UTC
Contact Chribba.

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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#5 - 2012-11-16 19:42:25 UTC
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
+1 for Chribba. Assuming you don't want him to hold a mountain of veld for you. Never turn your back on your veld when he's around, his lust for it is great.


I heard he straight killed a guy for not watching his cargo space while mining and wasting veld.

He had no way of even knowing that. He just somehow sensed it.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi

Riall
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-11-16 20:00:13 UTC
Bane Necran wrote:
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
+1 for Chribba. Assuming you don't want him to hold a mountain of veld for you. Never turn your back on your veld when he's around, his lust for it is great.


I heard he straight killed a guy for not watching his cargo space while mining and wasting veld.

He had no way of even knowing that. He just somehow sensed it.

And thus began the legend of Chribba, the Chuck Norris of Eve.

I heard Chribba once gave the evil eye to a guy's ship and all the tritanium in the guy's hull leapt into Chribba's cargo hold.

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Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#7 - 2012-11-16 20:21:46 UTC
Thank you so much guys. Really helpful.

Ill explain the lottery maybe you guys may know if Chribba would be better or another person.
I do know after having spoken with Chribba he usually does not deal with ISK only lotteries.

So here is the plan:

The lottery would be ISK only and mainly focused on newer players who are at the early stages of EVE. The first 5 lotteries would have 5000 tickets priced at 100k each but every lottery after that would be weekly with no ticket limits so running from Monday 9pm to Sunday 9pm GMT with the winner announced on Sunday 10pm.

The lotteries would have a fee of 13% from which I would be paying for the 3rd party services (based on Somer I think its 50mil per lotto)

Example Run:

Tickets: 5000
Price per Ticket: 100,000 ISK
Total Winnings: 435,000,000 ISK (less the 13% Fee)

I deposit 435,000,000 into 3rd Party before lottery starts to hold as the winnings.
I use chribba's dice to roll 6 numbers from 1-49 before the start of the lottery and have the roll remaining locked.

Players choose 6 numbers from 1 to 49 example (1.,4,34,42,23,5) and send my corp the cash with the reason lotto1 followed by there numbers)

Once all 5000 tickets are sold the dice roll is unlocked for players to see.

Prizes are awarded for the following

Match all 6 numbers = 75% of Winnings
Match 5 Numbers = 18% of Winnings
Match 4 Numbers = 7% of Winnings

If more than 1 person wins each category the prize is divided evenly between them. If no one wins the main jackpot the fund is carried over to the following week.

This method means more than one person has a chance of winning something.

Each person's numbers are noted and written up and saved in an excel sheet from which they are posted on the thread once done.

The 3rd Party would send out the winnings accordingly.

As I would have paid the 3rd party with the total winning funds pre lotto the money is safe to go to the corp.

Winning Percentages are calcualted using http://www.percentagecalculator.net/
Chribba's Dice is used to roll the numbers

I wish there was a ticket tracker available it would make my life easier.

Thanks. Let me know what you guys think and if Chribba or someone else would be better for this.
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-11-16 20:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Riall wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
+1 for Chribba. Assuming you don't want him to hold a mountain of veld for you. Never turn your back on your veld when he's around, his lust for it is great.


I heard he straight killed a guy for not watching his cargo space while mining and wasting veld.

He had no way of even knowing that. He just somehow sensed it.

And thus began the legend of Chribba, the Chuck Norris of Eve.

I heard Chribba once gave the evil eye to a guy's ship and all the tritanium in the guy's hull leapt into Chribba's cargo hold.


Chribba's awesome, no doubt. But on to more important issues:

How do you keep yourself upright with those things attached to your chest?

Edit to add:

I am sure the Mittani is a nice guy out of game as long as he's not drunkenly encouraging self termination in mentally unstable people. In game, I wouldn't trust him to hold onto a used tissue.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#9 - 2012-11-16 20:48:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Chribba
De'Veldrin wrote:
Riall wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
+1 for Chribba. Assuming you don't want him to hold a mountain of veld for you. Never turn your back on your veld when he's around, his lust for it is great.


I heard he straight killed a guy for not watching his cargo space while mining and wasting veld.

He had no way of even knowing that. He just somehow sensed it.

And thus began the legend of Chribba, the Chuck Norris of Eve.

I heard Chribba once gave the evil eye to a guy's ship and all the tritanium in the guy's hull leapt into Chribba's cargo hold.


Chribba's awesome, no doubt. But on to more important issues:

How do you keep yourself upright with those things attached to your chest?

Chest hair? I got none. I haven't reached puberty yet. Why you hatin'? Lol

lol jk I got a ton of hair... oh wai... whaaaaat?

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wingm4n
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-11-17 02:01:59 UTC
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
Thank you so much guys. Really helpful.
Players choose 6 numbers from 1 to 49 example (1.,4,34,42,23,5) and send my corp the cash with the reason lotto1 followed by there numbers)

Once all 5000 tickets are sold the dice roll is unlocked for players to see.


And for those of you wondering where the scam is...

5000 tickets are for sale, but it is up to the player to disclose when 5000 tickets have been purchased/reached. As long as the amount hauled by the player exceeds the amount put in escrow with Chribba, the scam pays off.

Additionally, how would Chribba then know who and how much to disburse to individuals who were scammed when it falls over? Thus he has no interest in ISK lotteries.. and hence the success of dedicated lottery sites like Somer and Evealopalous.

Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#11 - 2012-11-17 04:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aisoge Eistiras
wingm4n wrote:
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
Thank you so much guys. Really helpful.
Players choose 6 numbers from 1 to 49 example (1.,4,34,42,23,5) and send my corp the cash with the reason lotto1 followed by there numbers)

Once all 5000 tickets are sold the dice roll is unlocked for players to see.


And for those of you wondering where the scam is...

5000 tickets are for sale, but it is up to the player to disclose when 5000 tickets have been purchased/reached. As long as the amount hauled by the player exceeds the amount put in escrow with Chribba, the scam pays off.

Additionally, how would Chribba then know who and how much to disburse to individuals who were scammed when it falls over? Thus he has no interest in ISK lotteries.. and hence the success of dedicated lottery sites like Somer and Evealopalous.



Not everyone in this world is dishonest. Also neither I or chribba say that he would hold security for me. If you actually took the time to read my previous post you would have seen I did state that a ticket tracker would make my life easier. I have also sent a mail to somer and also will be sharing my full app with any 3rd party. This lottery would only be a scam if players were sending me the isk and that's it. However I think you need to put some time in your reading skill as it is currently at level 1 or 2 at best.

Read up fool, I said I will have sent the 3rd party escrow the total winning amount before the lotto even starts, so how exactly would that be a scam?

If the 3rd party wishes to go through each of the 5000 tickets then fine it saves me the time. I have also posted another thread asking for a programmer who can help build a ticket tracker to make it more secure.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-17 05:53:12 UTC
I'm trustworthy. I will do this thing for you.
Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#13 - 2012-11-17 12:24:06 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I'm trustworthy. I will do this thing for you.


Lol go for it then .

Everyone has the right to make money from what they do. Listen if people like you don't wish to help or be constructive at least have the decency to to post crap either. If you can't be constructive go away, you earn no browny points here.
Keno Skir
#14 - 2012-11-17 12:33:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
if people like you don't wish to help or be constructive at least have the decency to to post crap.


Well if you insist. These (regular) lottery startups are most often a scam. As has been pointed out to you already, you are solely in charge of knowing when to stop selling people tickets.

You give chribba 5 Billion then sell 10 Billion worth of tickets using duplicates to who ever the hell you like. Once u got ur 10 Bil you are nowhere to be seen ever again and your trusted holder is left in the ****.. This is a commonly attempted ploy and i see no reason to assume you are any different.

If you really can do it in a secure way please explain how, otherwise just stop cus this is old.
Shaishi Otichoda
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-11-17 12:40:53 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
if people like you don't wish to help or be constructive at least have the decency to to post crap.


Well if you insist. These (regular) lottery startups are most often a scam.

Yes. quite often they are. You know what's the crazy part: they wouldn't need to scam. They could just run a legit lottery with 5% margin and still make a killing.
Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#16 - 2012-11-17 14:41:26 UTC
Tbh I totally agree with the last two posts, I know what you are trying to say as it has happened a lot in eve. If there is a method that can be used to make this more secure I would defiantly invest in it.

I have been trying to find someone who can work on a new lotto ticket tracker as somer's one stopped working. That would help a lot. I am also willingly able to provide my full api upon request. I have nothing to hide and I am a father so I believe and hope I am mature enough to approach this honestly.

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-11-17 14:58:14 UTC
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
I have nothing to hide and I am a father so I believe and hope I am mature enough to approach this honestly.



That has also been used in the past to scam. anyhow, if you're set on doing this I'll hold the money for you. That way if this does turn out to be a scam, you haven't destroyed someones reputation & we both make some isk out of it. If it turns out to be legit, then I'd look forward to lots of future business with you.

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Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#18 - 2012-11-17 15:15:53 UTC
So how much will you charge?

I ask because I am charging 13% from which I pay for the 3rd party, and prob make 5% for myself from each lotto.
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-11-17 15:21:53 UTC
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
So how much will you charge?

I ask because I am charging 13% from which I pay for the 3rd party, and prob make 5% for myself from each lotto.


I'll go with 5% for starters & if it turns out well for you I'll drop it to 4% for a longterm deal. This is negotiable.

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Aisoge Eistiras
Good at this Game
#20 - 2012-11-17 16:47:16 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Aisoge Eistiras wrote:
So how much will you charge?

I ask because I am charging 13% from which I pay for the 3rd party, and prob make 5% for myself from each lotto.


I'll go with 5% for starters & if it turns out well for you I'll drop it to 4% for a longterm deal. This is negotiable.


So from the 13% I pay the 3rd party 8% and pay you 5% leaving me with 0% 0.o I may have misunderstood.
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